Shattered Kingdoms

This perplexes me. How many IMMs do you think have gone through the staff and how many do you think have been added? I can only think of the vortices wand, besides the old one that's purchaseable and no-save.

There are a few others!

They are a tad excessive.

Was great when you had the ethereal pills to help even the odds.

Yeah, I was going to say that the best solution would be to put in a few no-save ethereal pills for sale. This would go a long way toward giving warriors options to finish someone off.

Those will be hoarded too.

Whatever the fix the devices should be no save.

Couldn't horde them, they either dissolved over time or didn't save.

I feel like etherealform pills would be an unnecessary nerf to casters and an unnecessary buff to ranged combat. Casters have already been hit with the nerfbat a lot recently with stance changes and concentration changes. I don't think that BoG needs a buff either, considering how huge of a downside it already is to someone playing a BoGable character. The only reason I would think that this would be a worthwhile change would be because it would buff taunt and thus swashies: But taunt is already a big INT hit to casters if it lands, does it really also need to be a guaranteed kill on any caster it hits?


The only problem I foresee this "solving" is the fact that it's possible for a sorc/necro to run around ethereal and still land kills via charms/controls. However, in most circumstances it is a bad idea for sorcs and necros to be ethereal during a fight. Not only does being ethereal severely hamper their offensive capability, but all it takes is someone else to go ethereal and wreck their day, or a dispel to go through (Which, with impairment, is going to be sooner than later) and then they're front rank with probably no other spells either. If a sorc tries to fight you ethereal, you should be able to just kill his charm and laugh at him. If a necro tries to fight you ethereal and you have no way of forcing him out of it, you should probably just leave.

There are plenty of classes that cannot land a kill on other classes in most 1v1 situations barring a very poor choice on their targets' behalf. This is a fact that is going to be true forever. Adding in etherealform pills will not change this.

lol @ eddy's response

I say yes to ethereal pills/etc.

I have been saying since they got added that the vortices wands are [REDACTED].

I will say that I wouldn't mind the vortices wands being brought down in terms of charges and potency.