Shattered Kingdoms

Ardith, you and I used to clean out the north bounty guards together on ariya and baba. We just weren't very good at it because we didn't have massive damage (plus I got myself arrested and gave them back like 30 obsidian, fml). I hate bounty NPCs and have no problem with this- have you changed your stance since then?

The Black Hand NPCs (not just the trio) have been wimped several times in the last few years. Necromancers have gotten the wimp bat as well. I'd bet money that the people complaining about Edoras couldn't do what he was doing with the same set up. Edoras is obviously doing something right to cause the qq rain that people are trying to drown him in. At this rate, he is going to need a scuba suit.

Its one pc, most of the time. Lighties even hoard a weapon for killing ethereal people. Edoras is now, always has been, and will continue to win SK. Want him to lose? Practice fighting necros instead of being terrified of them. That's how you *gasp* get better at the game, omg who would have thought.

You are obviously misremembering. Ardith is too tough to change his stance on a position. We also know he is not a hypocrite because he has called Edoras a hypocrite in the past. What kind of person would call someone a hypocrite while being a hypocrite himself?

as long as you change your viewpoint because you realized you are wrong and not because it's a convinience, then it's not hypocrisy

(yeah yeah, go away, until they have spell check on the forums deal with it.)

Wow. That was a slobbery one even reading it.

Unfortunately, B00ts, your money would be bet wrong. People have done it better, in more style, with a harder setup. I just haven't played in years before Ithorim so my examples are pretty dated. People with short memories think someone zapping etherealform against people who don't have it is winning. Anyone who never has to worry about bash or trip living through PKs is not 'being good'. I have a different standard. In my book, the only people who are good are the ones who are forced to deal with bash (ie not having a way around it as a front rower), openly face down the more serious risks (anyone who rolls a rogue or swash by default), and still rolls face. It doesn't happen very often, and they're the only people who garner my respect.

Other than them, zap self and quaff from 3rd rank are not baller skills. c 'sekrat hammer of light spell' bash and quaff heal is not a baller skill. Every caster has the capacity to zap and quaff from third rank to practically nullify risk. Most people do it pretty well, some people don't. People survive doing the same thing Edoras does, they just don't land kills either because they don't have 11 charms to deal out damage when they have to do it.

And yes, baldric, unfortunately Ardith can be a complete hypocrite sometimes.

The tribunals are all rather unbalanced comparative to eachother. Taslamar is pretty rough with the no recall outside of the jail. The warparty of the North is a joke, so if Taslamar's is stomping, they could use a buff. Zhenshi could use better trib NPCs, so could Guardians. If NPC wars isn't going anywhere, other places could use buffs to bring them up to par with Taslamar. Even in the small ways, like with jail placement and screaming guards.

The problem with this and the other thread is that Surrit was jailbroken inside of 30 mins with 0 sweat, so the idea that Taslamar's warparty is pretty tough kinda makes me laugh. The jail no-recall part is a rather valid point, however.

The Moot has to deal with the fact half their NPCs are owned by bolt of glory outright. I'm not seeing a huge need to try to bring them down or nerf them at all. When it comes to NPC wars, they aren't really exactly on the top of the pile with their selection.

IMO Wickedwitch and Edoras should do it and get the tension out of the way, other then that


Reading the first couple of posts and the skipping the rest, the NPCs in the north are pretty [REDACTED] (hope [REDACTED] doesnt pass the filter), any two person party can clear two rooms of guards before any pc's can get back and stop their advance. That being said, you are costing them a money by taking out that many guards. If you are after the three items (one of which is darkie only) desirable that is there, pay a smart rogue 10 blacks and get it easily.

Problems solved, easy loot rich rogue angry northern hipsters

You're welcome

You proved my point for me in the beginning of your speech, I disregarded the rest. *drools*

Lighties have superg weapon of ethereal murder. Don't complain about not being able to kill an ethereal enemy. The end.

Go team Edoras! *holds up flag and waves it around*

Come to think about it, if others have done it, and better. Why complain about someone subpar to the better older ones?

A bard with an ethereal scroll could kill an ethereal necro with some imagination, which is severely lacking in the game a lot of the time. Other classes have access to ethereal. Not just necros.

1) Because something is older, it is easier/not relevant?

2) You seem to be under the impression that because some informed people think there's imbalance, we're attacking the object of your passionate adoration with pitchforks or whatever. Imbalance can exist regardless of who is utilizing it. No one is attacking Edoras, but he seems to think that because we're calling imbalance out, and you seem to think that too. Syn seemed to think that when I called out the bugginess of intimidate, until she realized it actually was buggy. If my class had anything worth complaining about the imbalance of, or bugginess of, I'd be the first to lead the charge.

3) No one is complaining about necros alone having etherealform. A creative sorc killed Edoras when he's ethereal before. I'm personally complaining that etherealform being spread to classes who can't cast it is OP. We can address the balance issues between the classes themselves based on whatever comes afterward, and buff/adjust from that baseline.

Man, you really beat the hell out of that straw man in a thread that really has nothing to do with it!

So this thread is about the Moot. The Moot is fine.

Paladins should lose locate.

Imbalanced.

Counter-offer: Hellions gain locate.