Dispel magic

Guest · **Posted:** Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:41 am

The target is a giant, I'm not sure if dispel magic actually falls under a mental attack but I've noticed that with my 9 art necromancer that this spell is incredibly difficult to land on anything. Even things with 0 saves I just can't get it to work at all. Is it supposed to be this hard to land a spell?

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Health 100 Mana  81 Movement  92 
c sleep vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  81 Movement  92 

You utter the words, 'grzzs'.
Vezu the healer goes to sleep.

Health 100 Mana  77 Movement  92 
leech vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  77 Movement  92 
leech vezu

You utter the words, 'waia rzzqp'.
You drain some of Vezu the healer's magical energy!

Health 100 Mana  90 Movement  92 
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  90 Movement  92 

You utter the words, 'waia rzzqp'.
You drain some of Vezu the healer's magical energy!

Health 100 Mana 104 Movement  92 
c dispel vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana 104 Movement  92 

You utter the words, 'eugszr waouq'.
You fail to break any spells.

Health 100 Mana  98 Movement  92 
c dispel vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  98 Movement  92 

A strange compulsion keeps you from attacking Vezu the healer.

Health 100 Mana  98 Movement  92 
c dispel vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  98 Movement  92 

You utter the words, 'eugszr waouq'.
You fail to break any spells.

Health 100 Mana  93 Movement  92 
c dispel vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  91 Movement 100 

You utter the words, 'eugszr waouq'.

Health 100 Mana  86 Movement 100 
c dispel vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  86 Movement 100 

You utter the words, 'eugszr waouq'.
You fail to break any spells.

Health 100 Mana  81 Movement 100 
c dispel vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  81 Movement 100 

You utter the words, 'eugszr waouq'.
You fail to break any spells.

Health 100 Mana  75 Movement 100 
c dispel vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  75 Movement 100 

You utter the words, 'eugszr waouq'.
You fail to break any spells.

Health 100 Mana  70 Movement 100 
c dispel vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  70 Movement 100 

You utter the words, 'eugszr waouq'.

Health 100 Mana  65 Movement 100 
c dispel vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  65 Movement 100 

You utter the words, 'eugszr waouq'.

Health 100 Mana  60 Movement 100 
c dispel vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  60 Movement 100 

You utter the words, 'eugszr waouq'.

Health 100 Mana  55 Movement 100 
c dispel vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  55 Movement 100 

You utter the words, 'eugszr waouq'.

Health 100 Mana  50 Movement 100 
c dispel vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  50 Movement 100 

You utter the words, 'eugszr waouq'.

Health 100 Mana  45 Movement 100 
c dispel vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  45 Movement 100 

You utter the words, 'eugszr waouq'.
You fail to break any spells.

Health 100 Mana  39 Movement 100 
c dispel vezu
You start to concentrate.

Health 100 Mana  39 Movement 100 
leech vezu
leech vezu

You utter the words, 'eugszr waouq'.
Vezu the healer's ward of sanctuary vanishes.

Dark-Avenger · **Posted:** Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:10 am

NPCs cheat. We all know that. How Kin used to have sick mana and concentration? No PC ever will have such stats. So my guess is they have buffed saves as well, with fort/will/refl to rise as they are higher level.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lvl 51 NPC would have innate 50 will/fort/refl.

Guest · **Posted:** Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:40 am

I've had problems against players as well. Namely when screwing around with Xenji and trying to dispel his elemental and another warlock that it screwed me with.

Benzo Balrog · **Joined:** Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:48 am **Posts:** 1306

One wonders why you only have 9 art...

I can believe that you failed dispel 5 times before it worked. Doesn't dispel magic have a save and then a check for each different spell, so that you could have landed the dispel but not actually have caused any spells to drop? It could have just been bad luck: 50/50 chance would fail five times in a row one out of thirty-two times. And perhaps the NPC and elementals in question also have better saves than you think.

Forsooth · **Joined:** Mon Feb 17, 2003 9:55 pm **Posts:** 1365

IIRC, Art doesn't benefit dispel magic, cancellation, or similar magic-countering abilities. Art just works against fortitude/willpower/reflex saves, and something other than that is going on.

Konrin · **Posted:** Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:27 am

-Willpower is used against abilities that primarily attempt to influence
the mind or its connection to the weave of magic. Examples of spells of
this type include charm person, curse, dispel magic, sleep and summon.

Gilgon · **Joined:** Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:18 pm **Posts:** 1704

I would agree to strengthen dispel magic's chance of success only if the casting time were increased. As is, I think it would be too strong of a spell if it always worked.

A_Damn · **Posted:** Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:27 am

I will agree, no change is needed. As it is now, most elementals can be dispelled in one shot, certain cabal spells might be significantly harder, but then again, what's the point if you can dispel them in one shot. Leave it how it is. My guess is yes, indeed, Vezu probably has some ridiculous stats/saves as a lot NPCs do.

Fepel Veiled · **Joined:** Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:53 am **Posts:** 1786

I have no problems at all dispelling undead or elementals. Don't forget that the charm/ele/control has the same will save as the controller/charmer for dispel magic. So if the controller has a high will then they will shrug off the dispel. It is my understanding that resistance will not help this, but will... will.

silmar · **Joined:** Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:14 pm **Posts:** 819

You know level plays a part to dispel magic checks right ?

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