Shattered Kingdoms

Impossible, you can only do rele 1/2/3 etc.

To me, songs are still a very important part of a bard and songs of sleep can ensure you victory in group battles. I do not see how the song build keeps you from executing persuade leetness. And so I'd build my bard like that and mod strength if it was needed.

When I go into pk and I see an enemy bard singing, I jump for joy. But hey - that's just me. If I see a bard who isn't singing...I know that there is a 70% chance that atleast 1 person in my group will die

In my experience, persuade is extremely hard to land, especially on 'good' characters (which often are those you would want to persuade)

First I would just like to point out your general attitude in this Newbie Help forum is rather uncalled for.

You are also wrong on both accounts of your assumptions, juggernaut. I hesitate to call you any demeaning names, but obviously the experiment was undertaken in a lawful area, and there was at least one other person to witness in order to conduct a successful test.

We went through a series of testing with a bard successfully persuading two different victims to act against each other, and the bard, as well as noting the differences of successes and failures of the persuasions during the experiment.

Again, I will stand by with my conclusion that under proper usage persuasion does not break the law. Your failure to comprehend the simplest mechanics of persuasion is astounding, and in order to prove your point you resulted to more name calling, which wasn't unexpected in itself. But in the end, you are your own worst enemy, juggernaut.

This is the only point of your post I find to respect. The rest is a total failure as your expoeriment, and therefore, I withdraw my case. It is not the "ideal circumstance" the case, it is the general attribute of the skill. You fail to see it. PKing is not breaking a law if under ideal situations, so...