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theDrifter wrote:
archaicsmurf wrote:

Real life is irrelevant to computer games, but throwing more burning things on a fire source will only make it bigger, not diminish the flames.

I like phiezel's idea though. Add to the fire, make it better.

Understandable though.. if flamestrikes are divine, then there should be damage. I just didnt think about that.


If we're trying to apply real-life physics to fire elementals, then we have to consider what fire is in real life- The visible reaction of combustable material with oxygen to produce heat, light, probably carbon dioxide, and other stuff.

Thus a 'real life' fire elemental would need some sort of fuel source and oxygen source. Engulfing such an elemental in another fire would deplete its oxygen and/or fuel supply, thereby shortening the life of the elemental, which could be considered a way of 'damaging' it because eventually its fuel supply would be depleted.


Regardless of all of this, I think it is safer to assume that SK flamestrike is similar to DnD flamestrike:
DnD SRD wrote:
A flame strike produces a vertical column of divine fire roaring downward. The spell deals 1d6 points of damage per caster level (maximum 15d6). Half the damage is fire damage, but the other half results directly from divine power and is therefore not subject to being reduced by resistance to fire-based attacks.



If you want to apply real physics, when two fires meet they do not diminish, rather they make a much larger fire. However, fires will consume much more fuel when burning hotter and brighter. Fire elementals are from the fire plane, held together by a central body that is the fuel. And since I am no plannar physicist, i cannot begin to draw knowledge of the other planes. Now going on what I do know, being drawn mostly from DnD SRD (as few actually touch on such things), and though it matters little because we have solved it I will continue with a few more quotes.

SRD V3.5 wrote:
Fire-Dominant: Planes with this trait are composed of flames that continually burn without consuming their fuel source.


ELEMENTAL PLANE OF FIRE
Everything is alight on the Elemental Plane of Fire. The ground is nothing more than great, evershifting plates of compressed flame. The air ripples with the heat of continual firestorms, and the most common liquid is magma, not water. The oceans are made of liquid flame, and the mountains ooze with molten lava. Fire survives here without need for fuel or air, but flammables brought onto the plane are consumed readily.



Now going off of that, when you add fire to a fire elemental, a being brought from another plane where air nor fuel is needed to survive, it would not be robbing it. At worst it would just sit there and do nothing as beings of fire take no fire damage. The issue at hand is Flamestrike is divine and fire, and thus divine damage affects a fire elemental.


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Malhavoc wrote:
Now going off of that, when you add fire to a fire elemental, a being brought from another plane where air nor fuel is needed to survive, it would not be robbing it. At worst it would just sit there and do nothing as beings of fire take no fire damage. The issue at hand is Flamestrike is divine and fire, and thus divine damage affects a fire elemental.


If it is true that fire elementals come from a plane of existence in which fire can burn forever without using up fuel or air, then the essential question becomes whether this is a property of the plane or a property of the fire on that plane.

That is to say, when you take fire out of a plane where it needs no fuel or air, is it able to survive on a plane where fire requires fuel and air? If it is, then it would be immune to flame, but otherwise, exposure to additional flames would increase the depletion of the fuel source thereby shortening its stay on the material plane.

The inverse of this question is addressed by the SRD description of the plane of fire but not in a very clear way:

SRD V3.5 wrote:
Fire survives here without need for fuel or air, but flammables brought onto the plane are consumed readily.


This suggests that material brought from other planes is "consumed" by the flames, but in the same sentence says that the flames do not require fuel. What is it then, that consumes these flammable fuel sources? Does the fire actually burn up the fuel sources, but continues to "survive" afterwards as a non-material force creating limitless energy from nothing? Does the fire "choose" whether to use fuel or oxygen? What happens to the leftover carbon charcoal after the fuel is burned in an oxygen-depleted fire, or is there an eternal source of oxygen that the existing fires choose to use only when destroying adventuring gear?

It also says that flames survive here without fuel or air, but does not say that flames from here survive anywhere without them.

It seems that there are some internal inconsistencies that may suggest a small chance that the plane of fire may not actually exist, or at least that the writers of the SRD do not have a completely clear understanding of its existance.


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