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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:53 am 
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If mp is split up into only-magic protection and melee protection,
that'll still be an extra type you'll want on your gear, but your equipment
won't be easier to enchant. You'll have to sacrifice something. Although
I suppose if you spend enough time on it, you could get twenty on your
armor, but until then...


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:10 am 
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That's my point exactly. I'm more than willing to spend more time and get an even better suit(as I was trying to improve my suit when it was at ~100 total enchants and I got it to 125+ now). Most people consider the current enchant system annoying and don't bother to get an elite enchanted suit, will they try to do it if one more essential enchantment is added? I don't think so. Instead they'll start whining how huge is the gap between those that dedicate time on enchanting and those that don't(hell, they already start such threads :P).


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:56 am 
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Remove offensive scrolls, staves, and wands from the game. Then melee might merit wimping. Until level 40+ charm person scrolls aren't found on NPCs, until triple FoD scrolls aren't able to be gotten at will by someone with the dark sphere, until triple harm scrolls don't load on easily killed NPCs, melee should stay the same.

If the people who used the dark sphere and the scripture of immediate vengeance pk'd as often as Navelic did, the entire mud would be flipping out. Luckily, the people who use this sort of eq are almost always folks who pk once a day tops, so there is never a huge clamor to get it wimped.

That's my opinion on it, as someone who is currently playing a necromancer and someone whose last character was a mercenary.


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I think I'll laugh at things like the triple harm scroll or triple fear scroll or triple FoD scroll with my saves. Anyone can do it.

I have no chance to laugh at melee damage though.


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I think the point was that mercenaries don't usually have greatly
increased saves, since they can't enchant. Meaning they have to
get other people to sit around for hours enchanting their armor.
Which they usually lose.


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Syndal wrote:
Uh, I'm sorry, but casters are [REDACTED] fine. Except for possibly warlocks. Sorcs, OMG my apprentice level damage spell won't kill you!. Or OMG my one hit kill doesn't land every time I cast it, so I'll just be a whiny little [REDACTED] and stop using it completely!
Seriously. You shouldn't expect to be killing people with Acid, that's not WTF sorcs do, if that's what you want, play a warlock, but wait! Why play a warlock when I can play a sorc and get the best adveturing/utility/lewt gathering/hoarding class, and then WHINE to try to get them to be better in combat than warlocks!(who don't get [REDACTED] except PK spells) Not to mention if you equip your charm Sorcs are already 100x better in PK than warlocks.

Sypher, seriously. This thread is ridiculous. Sorcs aren't supposed to be the SUPER PK CLASS. If you want to be the super PK class, their non-pk abilities need to be massively wimped. Warlocks should be a PK class, they get [REDACTED] for abilities that don't involve PK.(and they still suck at PK)

Hell, weren't you guys complaining a short bit ago about, "omg fighters can PK while naked and with a steel weapon, that's overpowered!"

IF THEY ARE NAKED(or in crappy armor) THEY HAVE NO SAVES.


Syn, why are you always so angsty?

You either: A) Have not read my posts, or B) Do not understand them. This is not a thread about sorcerors, I'm perfectly aware acid spam is not the way to kill someone with a sorceror, I -stated- as much in the previous post.

The point of this thread as you so eloquently screamed in the last line of your post is that even [REDACTED] naked with naught be a weapon warriors still have the possibility of tearing through a casters pet and the caster him/herself before the caster can fire off enough spells or the casters pet do enough damage to kill the warrior.

I'm not proposing a huge nerf to melee, or a huge buff to casters, I'm simply asking for either: A) A relatively small decrease in overall melee damage dealt by anyone in melee(charms/pets included) or B) Something done about enchantments as other suggested so that warriors can't effectively become immune to spells, leaving casters to pray that their charm/pets can go toe to toe with a PC character since that's the only avenue left them.

Honestly Syn, I thought some of your personal experience would point out that Melee does a stupidly sick amount of damage when compared to spellcasting potential. Maybe you should go back and read the log where you tried to kill Algon's merc Hadaro with 2 charms. If I recall correctly he tore through both of them, and you. I also seem to recall him 2 rounding Derk.


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Melee damage only seems high because everyone is always aggressive.


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Make everyone fight with pink bunnies as weapons >_<


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Dark-Avenger wrote:
I think I'll laugh at things like the triple harm scroll or triple fear scroll or triple FoD scroll with my saves. Anyone can do it.

I have no chance to laugh at melee damage though.


No chance to laugh at melee? Etherealform. No chance to laugh at melee? Third row. Give me a break. Melee isn't instant, you can always avoid death from it. If someone triple fears your group during pk, you (the one with enchants, a caster almost always) will be the only one left in the room, there to die. If someone triple fod's your bondservant while you sit in the second row, you are instantly in the front. Triple scrolls like this are far, far stronger than any melee can ever be.

The power of casters is in scrolls, wands, and staves - not in casted spells. If offensive types of these are removed, I think a change to melee is necessary. Not until then.


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Yeah, those triple scrolls are as common, easy to get, and in as mass quanity, as an enchanted weapon. C'mon people. Seriously.


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