Shattered Kingdoms

Auto immunity, and the above, would promote citizens taking the law into their own hands.

I personally voted no, because I feel the law should be enforced by the Tribunal and not by others. Out of the two options though, I like the above better.

Most instances of banished people being killed with the consent of a tribunal is more a case of international war than domestic law, in which case political allies are more than welcome to intervene.

But that said, said concern is why I made the later emendation to add a separate flag to remove legal rights from people who are already banished. That way, people could choose how much they wanted people taking the law (or war) into their own hands. The salty, grizzled, scrupulous old Justicar could decide that the saltier, grizzlier Warlord of the North, who he had been at war with for 40 + years, can be killed on sight, while the patient, understanding, principled elven regeant could banish someone without wanting them to be killed.

As for the puerile argument that this would reduce incentive to join a tribunal:

Tribunals still get a plethora of buffs and very powerful NPCs to assist them. The law is supposed to work the way the tribunals want them to. If the scrupulous wants to remove legal rights, he can, while the principled and keep them applied. Everyone gets to do what they, by rights, should be able to do. Everyone is happy.

And I promise you, I will have no incentive to join a tribunal if the law system I supposedly represent is so deeply flawed that it prevents cabals who take oaths to protect my country from doing just that.

and allows Black Hand member such as yourself to PK in the Empire, in places like Tlaxcala, without penalty

It just doesnt make sense to me that NPCs will attack and assault PCs that are in alliance with the kingdom. Naturally the suggestion needs tweaking because of the potential for abuse.

but what I see now are Cabal members PKing in any city they want DESPITE the fact that they become criminals because the tribunal leader will instantly pardon them upon request anyway. It wouldnt make sense diplomatically to tell an ally that just defended your city "No.. no I really think you should serve your sentence for helping us out."

for the sake of your credibility, dont say [REDACTED] , it's inarticulate and childish.

Auto alliance amnesty means there should be auto enemy banishment also?

I vote no. If you want phat skills and spells, join a cabal. If you want law immunity, go for a tribunal.

You can't have everything.

D-A, this is not a balance issue, this is a code malfunction issue. If the legal system is not doing what its leaders want it to do and what their leader's npc leaders want it to do, then the legal system needs to be fixed. It's stunningly irrational to say that we should keep the game balance between cabal members and tribunal members by forcing cabal members, and even members of tribunals that don't have jurisdiction, to be attacked by the code that manages the legal system if they are the allies of the players and ideals that manage the legal system.

I vote no to immunity. I vote no to auto parole. No to all of these ideas. I suggest that we instead have tiered cabal membership which allows non-leaders to parole a non-enemy who has been jailed. This system addresses more than just this issue, but I don't like the idea of someone getting free immunity. I'd rather see dual membership or tiered leader commands, such as the 0-9 ranking system Jardek mentioned from another mud.

Unless you are Midnight

Last I heard, MC was missing a skill/spell or two for the very reason they're THE cabunal. They still don't get it all. A Hammer-keeper would have more benefits than MC has currently.

Yeah, I voted "No" as well.

I vote the temporary amnesty. One ic day could be just fine. It makes sense. If the keepers (since this was the example) want to be the Hammer's bitches and let them do whatever they want in the kingdom they have to police, then let them be. What it doesn't make sense is being a tribunal leader and keeping the enter button down for "tribunal pardon XXX" when your own soldiers have already started to hit you in order to reach the outlaw ally who is behind you.

edit: If the battle is done the leader should be able to remove the privilege before the end of the day.