Shattered Kingdoms

Interesting changes to Charm Person.

"As it stands, nothing in game should be overpowered by something out of game."

What does this mean Smaggs?



-Smaggs

Unless you really do not know your cabal/tribunal member at all, or the charmed person in question, them saying something through tells or the cb line is a pretty good way for them to figure out you are charmed and get you summoned away.... unless they are jerks and bring you to their base first, then.... have a nice ride.

If I am not mistaken - Anyone who goes outside of the game and uses IRC, IM or anything to get help is worthy of deletion as well as the character who helped them. Summoning a friend who has been charmed without your player knowing is abuse of OOC information which is a punishable offence.

On a side note... Is Smagg playing again o_O If so, welcome back. If not, Welcome back, troll.

While this is called rules lawyering and is summarily unenforceable in its entirety it really comes down to how well your would be savior can lie, which then begs the question why did someone need to circumvent the ruleset to offset an ability that has no other recourse?

And while I respect the spirit of the rule in question and would not encourage that type of gameplay in the least common sense rules supreme. Without harping on this too much, your very argument pointing out there's a rule against this, and this being the only recourse of action to 'save' someone from this ability only furthers the point that was originally made, and strengthens the need for it to be changed.

-S,troll.

Smags, this got changed to prevent all communication because people were circumventing the "spirit" of charm person to call in re-inforcements when they were supposed to think the person who'd charmed them was their friend.

The change was misguided (it accompanied other buffs to charm person) but changing it back isn't going to solve the problem by itself.

It's too easy to charm someone, o all remove all, o all drop all, o all kill NPC for any rescue attempts to really come through fast enough to balance this spell.

Personally, as far as spells like charm person go, I've always thought it would make more sense, rather than a standard wimp, to simply grant a chance of recognition of what the heck a random magic user is casting before they actually finish casting it. Then, at least, they'd have time, albeit a small amount of time, to react accordingly without recourse to begging for wimps, OOC rescues, i.e. they can play smarter, within the rule set of the game.

And it makes sense IC...I mean, how many times do you need to see a person casting a particular spell before you figure out "Hey! That might not be something I want to wait around for!"

Maybe something along the lines of a universal trainable skill 'magic lore', wherein player level and skill level over against caster level/skill level/spell type renders a chance of players in the room where a caster starts casting to recognize what kind of spell is about to be cast.

The help file doesn't seem to reflect that. The Charm Person spell does not in an RP sense make me suddenly 'love' your character. All the change has done is simply attempt to force 'gag' my character so that I lose control and the master gains control. It doesn't have the ability to make me 'like' you. I stand by the fact that mental will (perhaps at increased cost) and Cabal Chat should never be prevented by any ability in the game.

I also understand its casting time needs to be increased, from what I've read.

In regards to PvP, furthermore you shouldn't be allowed to o all remove all o all drop all. Its a cheap tactic and a way around killing someone while still getting the desired result. You just get to do it in a single spell rather than through the combat system that has been so painstakingly coded.

Certain abilities allow 'winning' the combat in a single spell but they all have consequences something this does not appear to contain.

In the end, I believe I'm stating what everyone else is stating, that a change needs to take place, I don't believe the spell needs to be nerfed as it were, just change the functionality a bit, or add a consequence similar to the other single 'win' abilities.

-S,troll.

This is a very cool idea. It would definitely be an overall wimp to casting classes, though, so would need to be evaluated carefully in context. It also wouldn't solve the issue at hand; charm person would still be far to powerful relative to other spells of similar casting time and deadliness.

Wouldn't change scrolls at all either.

Just like Warhammer 40k, SK is based around overpowered things canceling each other out. Yes, you have Charm Person that can, if you have sucky stats or bad luck, one-shot you. You also have Bash which takes away all controls you have without any cast time at all that, once dead, is o all rem all, o all drop all in essence.

Backstab, Cleave, Finger of Death (if you suck), Final Worthlesspsell, Voodoo, release all with necromancer pets, the list goes on and on.

Stop guinea pigging about one spell. At least someone that charms you can't dump you over a city or drown you anymore and actually has to work to kill you unlike the other actual one-shot methods.

Also, people use OOC all the time to do the "HE KILT ME GIT HIM" thing, it's just that you have a chance to save a rez trip when it's charm person.