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 Post subject: Bare fist parry
PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:54 pm 
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You parry someone's bare fist!
Someone dodges your attack.

I don't think it should be possible to dodge the auto-riposte of a bare fist parry, since the parry itself is really the riposte.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:46 pm 
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Maybe they realized that your sword was about to absorb the blow of their fist, and decided it would be a better idea to leave that swing be.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:51 pm 
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Edoras wrote:
Maybe they realized that your sword was about to absorb the blow of their fist, and decided it would be a better idea to leave that swing be.


as defined by wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn ...


(fencing) blocking a lunge or deflecting it with a circular motion of the sword

I don't like that they decided to leave that swing be idea, but still, i can see them getting away with doing the circular motion thing. either way, i'm cool with the way it is. my original thought is when a parry happens, weapon hits weapon, in this case, fist hits sword, which should cause damage no matter what.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:58 pm 
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Rodwen wrote:
Edoras wrote:
Maybe they realized that your sword was about to absorb the blow of their fist, and decided it would be a better idea to leave that swing be.


as defined by wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn ...


(fencing) blocking a lunge or deflecting it with a circular motion of the sword

I don't like that they decided to leave that swing be idea, but still, i can see them getting away with doing the circular motion thing. either way, i'm cool with the way it is. my original thought is when a parry happens, weapon hits weapon, in this case, fist hits sword, which should cause damage no matter what.

Actually, Rodwen, I think you're reading the description wrong. The circular motion of the sword is only when you're deflecting an incoming attack. A parry is still blocking one's weapon with your own, hence the first part of the description. And even if one was silly enough to do a circular motion, the motion would start only AFTER catching the attacker's fist/forearm, followed by a spin.

Either way, I'm saying that your original post was right, it shouldn't be dodgeable. But, since it would take a bit of a code fix, D may or may not be willing to fix it.


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[url=http://www.thearma.org/essays/edgemyth.htm]Defense with a cutting sword is often a much misunderstood aspect of employing the weapon. It is vital to realize that parries (the opposition blocking of attacks) with a medieval sword or with any edged cutting blade are made not with the edge of the blade but with the flat ("mit der flech"). Yet it is astounding how often this basic fact of swordsmanship is violated or ignored. Many enthusiasts and students incorrectly continue to naively believe that a cutting sword can easily use its edge to parry with –or should even do so preferably.

Despite what some enthusiasts imagine they see, there are also no edge-on-edge blocks in the various editions of Hans Talhoffer’s fencing texts (c.1443-1467). As researcher-practitioner Mark Rector notes in his modern version of the 1467 Talhoffer Fechtbuch, “Talhoffer never shows anything resembling static, blade on blade blocks. His setting aside techniques are fluid and dynamic, and naturally lead into counter-attacks.” (p. 12).[/url]


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