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Do you think BoG is too powerful against deep-elves?
Totally is, they get raped by it! 28%  28%  [ 7 ]
It is too powerful, but they make awesome casters so it's fine. 8%  8%  [ 2 ]
No way, if they enchant their gear they'll be fine. 44%  44%  [ 11 ]
I don't have enough information to form an opinion. 8%  8%  [ 2 ]
I don't care. 12%  12%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 25
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 Post subject: Where it belongs: BoG vs Delves
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:31 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Where it belongs: BoG vs Delves
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:32 pm 
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bolt of glory is a joke.


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 Post subject: Re: Where it belongs: BoG vs Delves
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:10 pm 
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If BoG did not rape deep-elves, then it wouldn't be an innate weakness.

The only reason a BoG sucks more for a deep-elf then a FoD an elf, because the FoD will not trap the elf in combat with its attacker.


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 Post subject: Re: Where it belongs: BoG vs Delves
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:12 pm 
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Does BOG even damage anything that isn't dark aured? I thought it was a dark specific spell.


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 Post subject: Re: Where it belongs: BoG vs Delves
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:17 pm 
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Deep-elves, dark-aura'd priests, hellions and necromancers, as far as PCs are concerned.


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 Post subject: Re: Where it belongs: BoG vs Delves
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:31 pm 
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I got struck by one, maybe two nimbus clouds when I played my hellion, but it didn't even matter because I killed the paladin shortly after.

I never got hit with the nimbus on my deep-elf necromancer, and the damage I took was pretty laughable, considering it is supposed to be a deep-elf killer. Not to mention that mirror image is a pretty tough defense against getting hit by it. Zapping etherealform also completely negates it, as does the polymorph spell.

Most of the whining I see done about bolt of glory is from people who have characters with low dexterity and don't bother to stack reflex enchants so their reflex save is [REDACTED]. Then they complain when a spell that is designed to rape their character does so when they're failing 90% of their reflex saves.


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 Post subject: Re: Where it belongs: BoG vs Delves
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:50 pm 
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Dark Shades 10, 1143 7am
[HP:100%][ME: 94%] [PE: 99%]
Ariya utters the words, 'barh ay ohifl'.
Ariya gestures and a bolt of glory bursts forth at you!
You weep in pain and despair as Ariya's bolt of glory hits you.


Dark Shades 10, 1143 7am
[HP: 81%][ME: 92%] [PE: 99%]
A snowy-winged female sprite's flaring light barely gleams from Aritha's chest.
Ariya's shocking bite lightly burns Aritha's chest.
Ariya's shocking bite slightly singes Aritha's head.
A snowy-winged female sprite ripostes Rallatalar's attack!
A snowy-winged female sprite's flaring light is harmlessly reflected from Rallatalar's chest.
A mercenary's bash misses and he falls flat on his face.
Overall, a snowy-winged female sprite is in excellent condition.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 7am
[HP: 81%][ME: 92%] [PE: 98%]
Ariya starts to concentrate.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 7am
[HP: 81%][ME: 92%] [PE: 98%]
A mercenary snarls at a snowy-winged female sprite.
Aritha goes crazy as a snowy-winged female sprite begins taunting her mercilessly.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 7am
[HP: 81%][ME: 92%] [PE: 98%]
Stratis's circle stab decimates a blazing hind.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 7am
[HP: 81%][ME: 92%] [PE: 98%]
Aritha quickly jumps out of the way as a Taslamaran courser kicks dirt into the air.
A snowy-winged female sprite's flaring light is harmlessly reflected from Aritha's chest.
A snowy-winged female sprite pierces Aritha's forehead, causing a small gash.
A snowy-winged female sprite's flaring light strikes Aritha's chest.
Your divine wrath slightly singes a snowy-winged female sprite's head.
A snowy-winged female sprite ripostes a mercenary's attack!
A snowy-winged female sprite's flaring light barely gleams from a mercenary's chest.
Overall, a snowy-winged female sprite has a few scratches.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 7am
[HP: 81%][ME: 92%] [PE: 98%]
Ariya utters the words, 'barh ay ohifl'.
Ariya gestures and a bolt of glory bursts forth at you!
You weep in pain and despair as Ariya's bolt of glory hits you.


Dark Shades 10, 1143 7am
[HP: 63%][ME: 92%] [PE: 98%]
Ariya starts to concentrate.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 7am
[HP: 63%][ME: 92%] [PE: 98%]
You start to concentrate.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 7am
[HP: 63%][ME: 92%] [PE: 98%]
A mercenary utters, 'You aren't going anywhere...'
A mercenary grins wickedly.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 7am
[HP: 63%][ME: 92%] [PE: 98%]
A snowy-winged female sprite's flaring light breaks one of Aritha's ribs.
A snowy-winged female sprite's flaring light is harmlessly reflected from Aritha's head.
A snowy-winged female sprite pierces at Aritha's chest, ripping open her stomach!
Ariya's shocking bite starts Aritha's chest on fire.
A snowy-winged female sprite quickly jumps out of the way as a blazing hind kicks dirt into the air.
Aritha punches at a snowy-winged female sprite's chest, barely wounding her.
A snowy-winged female sprite's flaring light barely gleams from Aritha's left arm.
A snowy-winged female sprite ripostes Rallatalar's attack!
A snowy-winged female sprite's flaring light barely gleams from Rallatalar's chest.
Overall, a snowy-winged female sprite has a few scratches.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 7am
[HP: 63%][ME: 92%] [PE: 98%]
Stratis's circle stab DISEMBOWELS a blazing hind!

Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP: 63%][ME: 92%] [PE: 98%]
Ariya utters the words, 'barh ay ohifl'.
Ariya gestures and a bolt of glory bursts forth at you!
You shade your eyes from Ariya's ineffectual bolt of glory.


Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP: 65%][ME: 92%] [PE: 98%]
Ariya starts to concentrate.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP: 65%][ME: 92%] [PE: 98%]
You utter the words, 'pzar'.
A warm feeling fills your body.

A snowy-winged female sprite's flaring light scorches Aritha's chest.
A snowy-winged female sprite's flaring light scorches Aritha's chest.
A snowy-winged female sprite winces as a series of fractures appears on a backpack made from the skin of a white dragon!
You cause a snowy-winged female sprite some slight wounds as your divine wrath singes her chest.
Your divine wrath barely hits a snowy-winged female sprite's chest.
Overall, a snowy-winged female sprite has a few scratches.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP:100%][ME: 86%] [PE: 98%]
Aritha regains her footing.
A mercenary snarls at a snowy-winged female sprite.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP:100%][ME: 86%] [PE: 98%]
Someone stops flying.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP:100%][ME: 86%] [PE: 98%]
Rallatalar starts to concentrate.
Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP:100%][ME: 86%] [PE: 98%]
Stratis's circle stab does UNSPEAKABLE THINGS to a blazing hind!
A blazing hind is DEAD!!
You hear a blazing hind's death cry.
One of your members has left the party.
Stratis junks a corpse of a blazing hind.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP:100%][ME: 86%] [PE: 98%]
Ariya utters the words, 'barh ay ohifl'.
Ariya gestures and a bolt of glory bursts forth at you!
You shade your eyes from Ariya's ineffectual bolt of glory.


Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP:100%][ME: 86%] [PE: 98%]
Aritha quickly jumps out of the way as a Taslamaran courser kicks dirt into the air.
A snowy-winged female sprite's flaring light scorches Aritha's chest.
A snowy-winged female sprite pierces Aritha's head, carving a bleeding hole in it!
Ariya's shocking bite starts to melt Aritha's chest.
Overall, a snowy-winged female sprite has a few scratches.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP:100%][ME: 86%] [PE: 97%]
Ariya starts to concentrate.
A mercenary regains his footing.
A mercenary utters, 'You aren't going anywhere...'
A mercenary grins wickedly.
A mercenary utters, 'You aren't going anywhere...'
A mercenary grins wickedly.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP:100%][ME: 86%] [PE: 97%]
Rallatalar utters the words, 'harm'.
Rallatalar gesticulates and suddenly Aritha is vomiting as her organs twist!

Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP:100%][ME: 86%] [PE: 97%]
Stratis's circle stab MASSACRES you!
That really did HURT!
You are coughing up BLOOD!


Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP: 23%][ME: 86%] [PE: 97%]
Someone utters the words, 'waowa gsgrul'.
A wrinkled male gnome fades into existence.
A wrinkled male gnome unleashes a torrent of magma on you, charring your flesh severely!
Your divine wrath lightly hits a snowy-winged female sprite's head.
You feel level-headed again.
A wrinkled male gnome pierces at Aritha's left wrist, causing a big gash.
Aritha punches at a snowy-winged female sprite's chest, causing a deep gash.
A mercenary's bash misses and he falls flat on his face.
A snowy-winged female sprite ripostes a mercenary's attack!
A snowy-winged female sprite's flaring light is harmlessly reflected from a mercenary's chest.
Overall, a snowy-winged female sprite has some small wounds and bruises.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP: 23%][ME: 86%] [PE: 97%]
A wrinkled male gnome starts to concentrate.
Rallatalar starts to concentrate.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP: 23%][ME: 86%] [PE: 97%]
Ariya utters the words, 'barh ay ohifl'.
Ariya gestures and a bolt of glory bursts forth at you!
You shade your eyes from Ariya's ineffectual bolt of glory.

You start to concentrate.

Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP: 24%][ME: 86%] [PE: 97%]
Aritha runs north.
Aritha has fled!
Dark Shades 10, 1143 8am
[HP: 24%][ME: 86%] [PE: 97%]
You utter the words, 'xafe ay candusqarr'.


Alright...sorry for the length but this is the most recent battle I have been involved in with Thyki where she has been BoG'd by Ariya. I have bolded the Bolts as well as her HP after each one. The one heal I cast on myself and the circle stab from Stratis. As for enchantments, Thyki has 19 dex modded and 9 reflex points or whatever they are. This isn't exactly earthshattering enchanting here and yet I fairly easily survived five as well as a magma and a circle stab while taunted with only one healing.

I don't usually get involved in PVP, the times I have recently have been mostly happenstance and I count myself damn lucky, not skilled, that I have managed to survive. But this is about BoG and deep elves, so I wanted to show my crappy knowledge of PK and my poorly enchanted kit and how I held up against a GM paladin BoG. It is a good spell against deep elves, but it is not OP in my opinion. My experiences being Bog'd by Ariya is the only example I have, but it seems fairly compelling to me.

All of you who know what all is going on mechanics and PK wise use this example however. But I think the prayer and its effect on deep elves is fine, more than fine actually.


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 Post subject: Re: Where it belongs: BoG vs Delves
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:53 pm 
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Jesus, that circle stab looked wicked.


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 Post subject: Re: Where it belongs: BoG vs Delves
PostPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:57 pm 
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Looks like you flat out resisted two of them, and none of them stuck you. That's very fortunate.


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 Post subject: Re: Where it belongs: BoG vs Delves
PostPosted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:37 am 
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Wow, what the -hell- circle stab.

What weapon was he using?


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