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 Post subject: Re: The stagnant death of SK- The Law Code.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:01 pm 
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Explain why sleep is broken? I will remind you that until about 2006 you could put someone to sleep and then place every malediction in the book on them without waking them up.


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 Post subject: Re: The stagnant death of SK- The Law Code.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:21 pm 
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Location: I'm in a glass case of emotion!
SK Character: Retired Troll
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[HP:100%] [ME: 72%] [PE: 90%]
>
You utter the words, 'waouq wuggurz'.
You watch with pride as a flurry of magic missiles hits an inn bouncer!

[HP:100%] [ME: 71%] [PE: 90%]
>
An inn bouncer soars in from southwest.
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.

[HP:100%] [ME: 71%] [PE: 90%]
> You start to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 69%] [PE: 99%]
>
You utter the words, 'waouq wuggurz'.
You watch with pride as a flurry of magic missiles hits an inn bouncer!

[HP:100%] [ME: 68%] [PE: 99%]
> You start to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 68%] [PE: 99%]
>
Bill Kourney leaps over an inn bouncer's attempted trip!
An inn bouncer punches at Bill Kourney's left hand, causing some minor scratches.
An inn bouncer's punch at Bill Kourney's chest is deflected by a breastplate emblazoned with the Noble Teronian seal.
An inn bouncer quickly jumps out of the way as Bill Kourney kicks dirt into the air.
Bill Kourney punches at an inn bouncer's left toe, bruising it slightly.

[HP:100%] [ME: 68%] [PE: 99%]
>
You utter the words, 'waouq wuggurz'.
You watch with pride as a flurry of magic missiles hits an inn bouncer!

[HP:100%] [ME: 67%] [PE: 99%]
> You start to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 67%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney dodges an inn bouncer's attack.
Bill Kourney punches at an inn bouncer's right finger, bruising his slightly.

[HP:100%] [ME: 67%] [PE: 99%]
>
Seago rides a spirit steed in from southwest.
A red-eyed male human flits in from southwest.
The grey wolf flits in from southwest.
Glaxis flits in from southwest.

[HP:100%] [ME: 67%] [PE: 99%]
>
You utter the words, 'waouq wuggurz'.
You watch with pride as a flurry of magic missiles hits an inn bouncer!

[HP:100%] [ME: 66%] [PE: 99%]
> You start to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 66%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer's punch at Bill Kourney's stomach is deflected by a polished battlebelt.
Bill Kourney slams into an inn bouncer and sends him sprawling!
Bill Kourney's bash knocks the wind out of an inn bouncer.
Bill Kourney misses an inn bouncer.

[HP:100%] [ME: 66%] [PE: 99%]
>
You utter the words, 'waouq wuggurz'.
You watch with pride as a flurry of magic missiles hits an inn bouncer!

[HP:100%] [ME: 65%] [PE: 99%]
> You start to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 65%] [PE: 99%]
>
Seago slams into Bill Kourney and sends him sprawling!
Seago's bash knocks the wind out of Bill Kourney.

[HP:100%] [ME: 65%] [PE: 99%]
>
You utter the words, 'waouq wuggurz'.
You watch with pride as a flurry of magic missiles hits an inn bouncer!

[HP:100%] [ME: 64%] [PE: 99%]
> You start to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 64%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
An inn bouncer punches at Bill Kourney's stomach, barely wounding him.
Bill Kourney dodges Seago's attack.
Bill Kourney's shield blocks Seago's attack.
A red-eyed male human misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney's shield blocks a spirit steed's attack.
A spirit steed misses Bill Kourney.
A red-eyed male human misses Bill Kourney.
A red-eyed male human misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney punches at an inn bouncer's stomach, barely wounding him.

[HP:100%] [ME: 64%] [PE: 99%]
>
You utter the words, 'waouq wuggurz'.
You watch with pride as a flurry of magic missiles hits an inn bouncer!

[HP:100%] [ME: 63%] [PE: 99%]
> You start to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 63%] [PE: 99%]
>
Glaxis looks at you.

[HP:100%] [ME: 63%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
Seago cleaves at Bill Kourney's chest, causing only a minor wound.
Bill Kourney dodges Seago's attack.
A spirit steed misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney dodges a red-eyed male human's attack.
A red-eyed male human misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney punches at an inn bouncer's face, slightly bruising his cheek.

[HP:100%] [ME: 63%] [PE: 99%]
>
You utter the words, 'waouq wuggurz'.
You watch with pride as a flurry of magic missiles hits an inn bouncer!

[HP:100%] [ME: 61%] [PE: 99%]
> Coins carried: 3 obsidian, 1 platinum, 4 gold, 2 silver, 3 copper.
You are over three-fourths of the way to the next level.
You have only recently discovered this area.

[HP:100%] [ME: 61%] [PE: 99%]
> You start to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 61%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
An inn bouncer punches at Bill Kourney's chest, bashing a small but painful, wound.
Seago misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney winces as a series of fractures appears on a breastplate emblazoned with the Noble Teronian seal!
Seago cleaves at Bill Kourney's chest, causing a deep gash.
Seago cleaves at Bill Kourney's chest, causing a deep gash.
A spirit steed misses Bill Kourney.
A red-eyed male human misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney punches at an inn bouncer's left hand, causing some minor scratches.

[HP:100%] [ME: 61%] [PE: 99%]
>
You utter the words, 'grzzs'.
Seago goes to sleep.
Seago slumps out of a spirit steed's saddle.

[HP:100%] [ME: 59%] [PE: 99%]
> You can't concentrate enough.

[HP:100%] [ME: 59%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer regains his footing.
Bill Kourney regains his footing.

[HP:100%] [ME: 59%] [PE: 99%]
> You sit down.

[HP:100%] [ME: 59%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer throws a throwing spear at you!
An inn bouncer's throw breaks your mirror image.
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
A spirit steed misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney dodges a red-eyed male human's attack.
Bill Kourney dodges a red-eyed male human's attack.
Bill Kourney's kick misses an inn bouncer.
Bill Kourney punches at an inn bouncer's chest, barely wounding him.

[HP:100%] [ME: 59%] [PE: 99%]
> You can't concentrate enough.

[HP:100%] [ME: 59%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer's punch at Bill Kourney's chest is deflected by a breastplate emblazoned with the Noble Teronian seal.
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney's shield blocks a spirit steed's attack.
A red-eyed male human misses Bill Kourney.
An inn bouncer quickly jumps out of the way as Bill Kourney kicks dirt into the air.
An inn bouncer dodges Bill Kourney's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME: 59%] [PE: 99%]
> oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo
o # Spell Casted On Concentration o
o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
o 1 sleep Seago moderate o
o 2 mirror image Yourself light o
o 3 armor Bill Kourney light o
o 4 charm person Bill Kourney moderate o
oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo

[HP:100%] [ME: 59%] [PE: 99%]
> You release Bill Kourney from your armor.

[HP:100%] [ME: 59%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer's punch at Bill Kourney's left leg is deflected by a set of polished leg plates.
Bill Kourney dodges a spirit steed's attack.
A red-eyed male human crushes Bill Kourney's chest, causing a deep gash.
A red-eyed male human misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney punches at an inn bouncer's right hand, causing some minor scratches.

[HP:100%] [ME: 59%] [PE: 99%]
>
A red-eyed male human starts to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 59%] [PE: 99%]
> You start to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 59%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer throws a throwing spear at you!
An inn bouncer misses you.
An inn bouncer punches at Bill Kourney's right toe, bruising it slightly.
Bill Kourney dodges an inn bouncer's attack.
Bill Kourney's shield blocks a spirit steed's attack.
An inn bouncer dodges Bill Kourney's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME: 59%] [PE: 99%]
>
A red-eyed male human utters the words, 'cancellation'.
Glaxis says to you 'This is not a placd to be training'

[HP:100%] [ME: 59%] [PE: 99%]
>
You utter the words, 'grzzs'.
You failed.

[HP:100%] [ME: 57%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer's punch at Bill Kourney's head is deflected by an elaborate helm decorated with feathers.
Bill Kourney dodges an inn bouncer's attack.
An inn bouncer quickly jumps out of the way as a thick-maned lion kicks dirt into the air.
Bill Kourney winces as a series of fractures appears on his armor!
A spirit steed misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney's shield blocks a red-eyed male human's attack.
Bill Kourney dodges a red-eyed male human's attack.
An inn bouncer dodges Bill Kourney's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME: 57%] [PE: 99%]
>
A red-eyed male human starts to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 57%] [PE: 99%]
> You start to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 57%] [PE: 99%]
>
A red-eyed male human utters the words, 'cancellation'.
Seago wakes up, and clambers to his feet.
Seago looks less tired.

[HP:100%] [ME: 57%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
A spirit steed misses Bill Kourney.
A red-eyed male human misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney punches at an inn bouncer's chest, barely wounding him.

[HP:100%] [ME: 57%] [PE: 99%]
>
You utter the words, 'grzzs'.
A red-eyed male human goes to sleep.

[HP:100%] [ME: 55%] [PE: 99%]
> You start to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 55%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer slams into Bill Kourney and sends him sprawling!
An inn bouncer's bash knocks the wind out of Bill Kourney.
An inn bouncer's punch at Bill Kourney's chest is deflected by a breastplate emblazoned with the Noble Teronian seal.
An inn bouncer punches at Bill Kourney's right toe, bruising it slightly.
Bill Kourney's shield blocks a spirit steed's attack.
An inn bouncer dodges Bill Kourney's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME: 55%] [PE: 99%]
>
You utter the words, 'grzzs'.
Seago goes to sleep.

[HP:100%] [ME: 52%] [PE: 99%]
>
A quiet corner
With the tables and chairs a little more spread out, and with the music
off in the distance, this corner of the Common Room is good for some quiet
conversation with a friend. People come and go more leisurely here, their
pace slower than those patrons sitting closer to the dance floor or bar. A
waitress comes to take your order, and reminds you that if this quiet corner
isn't private enough, there are booths along the side that might suit you
better.
Obvious exits: sw
A throwing spear has been left here.
The severed hand of an old man is here.
( 2) A leather jerkin lays here, unused.
( 2) A pile of velvet lies here getting dirty.
( 2) A long strip of leather lies here on the ground.
A worn travelling cloak is thrown here on the ground.
Glaxis (an enormous male griffon) is flying here.
A graceful grey wolf holds you in her piercing gaze.
A red-eyed male human is sleeping here.
A shining white spirit in the shape of a warhorse is here.
Seago (a brawny male human) is sleeping here.
An inn bouncer is here, fighting Bill Kourney.
(Charmed) Bill Kourney is lying here prone.
(Charmed) A golden-furred male lion is here, confidence in his step.
You are standing here with a stony expression.
You are standing here with a stony expression.
You are standing here with a stony expression.
You are standing here with a stony expression.

[HP:100%] [ME: 52%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer punches at Bill Kourney's chest, causing a deep gash.
Bill Kourney dodges an inn bouncer's attack.
A spirit steed misses Bill Kourney.
An inn bouncer dodges Bill Kourney's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME: 52%] [PE: 99%]
> You nod at him.

[HP:100%] [ME: 52%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer's punch at Bill Kourney's stomach is deflected by a polished battlebelt.
An inn bouncer punches at Bill Kourney's left toe, bruising it slightly.
A spirit steed misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney misses an inn bouncer.

[HP:100%] [ME: 52%] [PE: 99%]
> You say 'Bill is fighting to stun.'

[HP:100%] [ME: 52%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
An inn bouncer punches at Bill Kourney's left toe, bruising it slightly.
Bill Kourney's shield blocks a spirit steed's attack.
Bill Kourney punches at an inn bouncer's left toe, bruising it slightly.

[HP:100%] [ME: 52%] [PE: 99%]
>
Bill Kourney regains his footing.

[HP:100%] [ME: 52%] [PE: 99%]
> oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo
o # Spell Casted On Concentration o
o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
o 1 sleep Seago moderate o
o 2 sleep a red-eyed male human moderate o
o 3 mirror image Yourself light o
o 4 charm person Bill Kourney moderate o
oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo

[HP:100%] [ME: 52%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer throws a throwing spear at you!
An inn bouncer's throw breaks your mirror image.
An inn bouncer's punch at Bill Kourney's chest is deflected by a breastplate emblazoned with the Noble Teronian seal.
An inn bouncer's punch at Bill Kourney's chest is deflected by a breastplate emblazoned with the Noble Teronian seal.
A spirit steed misses Bill Kourney.
An inn bouncer is blinded by the dirt in his eyes!
An inn bouncer dodges Bill Kourney's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME: 52%] [PE: 99%]
> You release yourself from your mirror image.
Your images fade away.

[HP:100%] [ME: 52%] [PE: 99%]
> You start to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 52%] [PE: 99%]
>
Bill Kourney dodges an inn bouncer's attack.
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
A spirit steed misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney punches at an inn bouncer's stomach, barely wounding him.

[HP:100%] [ME: 52%] [PE: 99%]
>
You utter the words, 'grzzs'.
Glaxis goes to sleep.

[HP:100%] [ME: 49%] [PE: 99%]
>
An inn bouncer's bash misses and he falls flat on his face.
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney's shield blocks an inn bouncer's attack.
A spirit steed misses Bill Kourney.
An inn bouncer dodges Bill Kourney's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME: 49%] [PE: 99%]
>
Bill Kourney's shield blocks an inn bouncer's attack.
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney dodges a spirit steed's attack.
Bill Kourney punches at an inn bouncer's left foot, causing a minor wound.

[HP:100%] [ME: 49%] [PE: 99%]
> You can't concentrate enough.
A throwing spear crumbles into dust.

[HP:100%] [ME: 41%] [PE:100%]
>
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney dodges a spirit steed's attack.
Bill Kourney punches at an inn bouncer's face, slightly bruising his cheek.

[HP:100%] [ME: 41%] [PE:100%]
>
Group: People You do Not Want to Mess With
(11:F1) [------------] (12:F2) [Bill Kourney] (13:F3) [------------]
(21:M1) [------------] (22:M2) [a thick-mane] (23:M3) [------------]
(31:B1) [------------] (32:B2) [ Joseph] (33:B3) [------------]
Characters Rank Pos In room Follow HP ME PE
Joseph Leader 32:B2 Yes No 100% 41% 100%
A thick-maned lion Member 22:M2 Yes Yes 100% 100% 100%
Bill Kourney Member 12:F2 Yes Yes 80% 100% 83%

[HP:100%] [ME: 41%] [PE:100%]
> oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo
o # Spell Casted On Concentration o
o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
o 1 sleep Glaxis moderate o
o 2 sleep Seago moderate o
o 3 sleep a red-eyed male human moderate o
o 4 charm person Bill Kourney moderate o
oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo

[HP:100%] [ME: 41%] [PE:100%]
>
An inn bouncer punches at Bill Kourney's stomach, barely wounding him.
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney's shield blocks a spirit steed's attack.
Bill Kourney punches at an inn bouncer's left hand, causing some minor scratches.

[HP:100%] [ME: 41%] [PE:100%]
>
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
An inn bouncer misses Bill Kourney.
Bill Kourney dodges a spirit steed's attack.
Bill Kourney punches at an inn bouncer's chest, barely wounding him.

[HP:100%] [ME: 41%] [PE:100%]
> You release Bill Kourney from your charm person.
Your charm spell wears off.
Bill Kourney walks southwest.
Bill Kourney has fled!

[HP:100%] [ME: 41%] [PE:100%]
>
A quiet corner
With the tables and chairs a little more spread out, and with the music
off in the distance, this corner of the Common Room is good for some quiet
conversation with a friend. People come and go more leisurely here, their
pace slower than those patrons sitting closer to the dance floor or bar. A
waitress comes to take your order, and reminds you that if this quiet corner
isn't private enough, there are booths along the side that might suit you
better.
Obvious exits: sw
The severed hand of an old man is here.
( 2) A leather jerkin lays here, unused.
( 2) A pile of velvet lies here getting dirty.
( 2) A long strip of leather lies here on the ground.
A worn travelling cloak is thrown here on the ground.
Glaxis (an enormous male griffon) is sleeping here.
A graceful grey wolf holds you in her piercing gaze.
A red-eyed male human is sleeping here.
A shining white spirit in the shape of a warhorse is here.
Seago (a brawny male human) is sleeping here.
The bouncer for this small inn stands here, keeping watch over the patrons.
(Charmed) A golden-furred male lion is here, confidence in his step.

[HP:100%] [ME: 41%] [PE:100%]
>
An inn bouncer regains his footing.

[HP:100%] [ME: 41%] [PE:100%]
> You will fight to stun.

[HP:100%] [ME: 41%] [PE:100%]
> You start to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 41%] [PE:100%]
>
You utter the words, 'qpabraw dudasabru'.
Seago looks at you with adoring eyes.
Seago now follows you.



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 Post subject: Re: The stagnant death of SK- The Law Code.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:25 pm 
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Basically, it's fast cast, tough to resist, and takes minimal concentration. It lets you fight 1v3+ with relative ease if the opponents aren't wearing huge amounts of willpower.


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 Post subject: Re: The stagnant death of SK- The Law Code.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:39 pm 
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This is a battle of you vs Seago. I do not believe this should be allowed as proper academic source material.


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 Post subject: Re: The stagnant death of SK- The Law Code.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:57 pm 
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haha, good point.

I think spells that completely take you out of combat need to either be easier to resist or to have some sort of drawback for the caster - longer cast-time or higher concentration requirement. I don't think sleep needs to be drastically altered, but I would definitely tweak it. It was so easy dominating 80% of the pbase with that spell.


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 Post subject: Re: The stagnant death of SK- The Law Code.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:21 pm 
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Location: Columbia, South Carolina
SK Character: Pilnor, Surrit, Berr, Rall
Considering that one of your major whines is that casters can get into fights without risking anything, I would think that sleep would be the last spell you'd prefer to nerf, given that it only poses a real threat to PCs in the back ranks.

And just because something killed Seago doesn't mean that it's overpowered.


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