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 Post subject: Re: Bolt of glory minor balance tweak
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:22 am 
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Edoras wrote:
Getting every malediction in the game is useless except against outer guardians and some end-level PvE bosses. Other than that you should either be casting fear, sleep, dispel magic, -maybe- curse, reciting scrolls, or zapping wands. If you have the time as a necro to cast a stupid spell like slow, poison or plague, you probably already won the fight. (Or lost it because you're stupid and cast a panic spell)



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c slow bar
You start to concentrate.

[HP: 55%] [ME: 35%] [PE: 58%]
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A noble, white horse dodges a wraith's attack.
A wraith slashes a noble, white horse's right leg, cutting through a muscle!
A noble, white horse's kick misses a wraith.
A noble, white horse misses a wraith.

[HP: 55%] [ME: 35%] [PE: 58%]
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A portly male dwarf utters the words, 'barh ay ohifl'.
A portly male dwarf gestures and a bolt of glory bursts forth at you!
You cringe in terror from a portly male dwarf's bolt of glory!
A barrel-chested male giant regains his footing.

[HP: 36%] [ME: 35%] [PE: 58%]
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recite

A portly male dwarf starts to concentrate.

[HP: 36%] [ME: 35%] [PE: 58%]
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A portly male dwarf utters the words, 'barh ay ohifl'.
A portly male dwarf gestures and a bolt of glory bursts forth at you!
You cringe in terror from a portly male dwarf's bolt of glory!
That really did HURT!
You sure are BLEEDING!

[HP: 14%] [ME: 35%] [PE: 58%]
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A portly male dwarf starts to concentrate.

[HP: 14%] [ME: 35%] [PE: 58%]
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A wraith slashes a noble, white horse's right leg, shattering her kneecap!
A wraith dodges a noble, white horse's attack.
A wraith dodges a noble, white horse's attack.
A barrel-chested male giant slashes a wraith's jaw, breaking it with a loud *SNAP*
A barrel-chested male giant slashes a wraith's chest. A wraith falls on its knees and collapses.
A wraith is DEAD!!
You hear a wraith's death cry.
One of your members has left the party.
A barrel-chested male giant junks a corpse of a wraith.
A reinforced mithril halberd falls out.
A noble, white horse misses a barghest.

[HP: 14%] [ME: 35%] [PE: 58%]
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You utter the words, 'ghix'.
Your slow spell appears to have no effect.


Heh...


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 Post subject: Re: Bolt of glory minor balance tweak
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:29 am 
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Either you missed the self-deprecating humor in my quote, or just like restating things.


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 Post subject: Re: Bolt of glory minor balance tweak
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:30 am 
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I just like pointing out that you're stupid, I guess.

But in all seriousness, you said that you couldn't have won this fight. But you cast a really stupid spell, if you would have cast something useful. Or recited/brandished something useful then you could have easily won that.


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 Post subject: Re: Bolt of glory minor balance tweak
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:35 am 
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Mundy, you missed my point entirely. The point is if someone who clearly has an amazing grasp on the game and knows where to find the particular devices to be amazing plays a class well, I don't think it translates to the class NECESSARILY being balanced.


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 Post subject: Re: Bolt of glory minor balance tweak
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:36 am 
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An extremely large factor in how good a class or character is perceived is also the skill level of their opponents.


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 Post subject: Re: Bolt of glory minor balance tweak
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:38 am 
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mundufisen wrote:
If Gilgon could play one well, it would just show that everyone that is complaining is doing it wrong.



Also, strawmanning and red-herring aren't exactly good techniques to get your point across.

Simply because someone over two years ago played a necromancer and out of it had only about 20-25 total fights (only 16 of which were logged) does not mean that the class is underpowered, overpowered, or balanced.

Along with that tangent: anyone ever notice the community is very prone to aspergerish spouts of irrational opinions/name calling/general malfeasance towards each other at the drop of a hat? Just a game, brah, be chill.


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 Post subject: Re: Bolt of glory minor balance tweak
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:40 am 
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That could be said about any class.

If you dont know how to play the class, know where the good things are, and how to use them then you're not going to be very successful in pvp. Having a good grasp of your characters class is also a good key to winning pvp.

It doesn't take much for a necro to be powerful. Get a large army of undead, give them weapons, give them buffs and let them do work.

Get a few controls, give them weapons and buffs, add a few undead to it and let them do work.

(Having things like FoD/petrification/fear scrolls help. As well as sleep staves. Theres tons of OP'd wands.)


They do take a bit of prep, likely more than anyone else, but that doesn't make them bad. If you dont prep right, the results will show that.


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 Post subject: Re: Bolt of glory minor balance tweak
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:44 am 
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skivg2011 wrote:
mundufisen wrote:
Along with that tangent: anyone ever notice the community is very prone to aspergerish spouts of irrational opinions/name calling/general malfeasance towards each other at the drop of a hat? Just a game, brah, be chill.


You're tripping, bro. My comment was obviously not serious about Edoras.


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