Shattered Kingdoms

I read his suggestion as:

[.auto assist on] Leading a group from the third row and walking into an aggro NPC with commands stacked will lock you in combat instead of allowing you to continue onward. [.updated code]

[.auto assist off] Leading a group from the third row and walking into an aggro NPC with commands stacked will keep you moving, ignoring battle engagements or (if commands are not stacked) allow for an opening with a cleave.

Basically auto assist being the determining factor.

My point was that if you implement the proposed auto-assist changes, the new way with auto-assist off is the old way, while the new way with auto-assist on prevents accidental walkaways and allows back-rank characters to join in without dropping sanctuary, which is a significant (and in my opinion, favorable) change.

This is exactly what was causing circle to bug half the time - NPCs/characters in the back rank not being flagged as fighting, so as a rogue you sit there and twiddle your thumbs or dirt kick. I am fine with cleave getting a special exemption, but not with auto assist determining if you are in combat.

But they're not fighting. They're guarding their backs, and their buddies backs.

Rogues can do other things besides circlestab.

Sorry, while I agree that Cleave and the HoL ability should be able to be done even after someone else starts combat, everyone in that group should be flagged in combat so that only those with skirmish can leave it... and retreat of course without actually fleeing. If you don't want to be in the combat and your auto assist is off, just flee.

Rogues can do exactly two other things in that situation: recite a scroll and dirt kick. Actually, I guess they could pull out a crossbow, too - three things.

What you are proposing will lead us full circle to the pre-update nonsense where a rogue cannot backstab/hamstring because the target has a pulse or his own group is fighting, but also cannot circle cause his target is not flagged as in combat because they have auto assist off.

If I wanted to rely heavily on scrolls, I would play my sorcerer. When I play my rogue, I have this crazy expectation that I should be able to use iconic abilities like backstab and circle most of the time, with scrolls and dirt kick warranted by the situation and on a limited basis.

You so crazy!

Looks like cleave and <hol> go back to the way they were. No change to backstab. From what I am reading, that ought to do it.

Thank you! The old way was much better.

Fixed.