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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 12/10/2012 - Necromancer Debate
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:36 am 
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jerinx wrote:
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The most BOG one'll get in in 2 rounds is 3, if they're lucky, 3 will knock an undead out.
When you say things like I really wonder if you actually played a paladin or if that was someone else. This is the silliest statement I've read coming from the player of a paladin. Do you know why?


Yes, I know why. I'd wager it's because you are rather upset at the collective understanding of balance in these threads completely ruining every whine you have at every turn. You are continually stomping around instead of being productive with these changes and helping yourself/us/Dulrik get a more firm grasp on what they really mean.

You've proven your inability to grasp game balance/what should be fair many times over. The really productive thing you could do now, instead of posting old logs as if they're relevant, is get contemporary context and be constructive with these things. Who knows? You might end up actually coming to learn how to use some of these changes to your advantage in the process. Heck, you may find something you like.

Hell, man, I could level a necro to a relevant level and offer constructive cricitism in the time it takes you to write 2 of your posts. I'm not sure what alternative paths you see other than "Get in the mindet of working with these changes" or "delete." You're past the point of constructive additions here in the worst possible way.

The correct answer was "BoG one-shots all undead, therefore it is silly to say that it takes 3 BoGs to kill one undead." I am very embarrassed for you that you played a paladin yet did not understand this.


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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 12/10/2012 - Necromancer Debate
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:38 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 12/10/2012 - Necromancer Debate
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:49 am 
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Edoras wrote:
The correct answer was "BoG one-shots all undead, therefore it is silly to say that it takes 3 BoGs to kill one undead." I am very embarassed for you that you played a paladin yet did not understand this.


The correct answer is "lrn2abc." I'm sorry for you that reading comprehension is still a failed endeavor for you when reading anything I write. Next time I'll be sure to italicize and highlight and add extraneous words... so that next time, you'll understand that "they'll get 3 BoGs if they're lucky, and yes, that will definitely take at least 1 undead down" does not mean "it takes 3 BoGs to kill every undead in the game."

I'm embarrassed for you that you don't understand RNG, that you don't understand that you've been proven wrong, that you don't abc, and that you don't understand you're fighting a losing battle that will not take the SK code back to your face-rolling 2 button necro.

The answer to everything you'll post in the future in this thread is: adapt or delete, but whining proves nothing. The class has changed. The change isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I'm glad that balance proved victorious in the end.

You are in a key position to be constructive and helpful. So far, you have been the opposite. Take the changes for a spin and try finding something you'll like. If you're predisposed to hating the change no matter what - guess what? Shocker, you're going to hate it no matter what. That helps no one in this community, let alone yourself.


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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 12/10/2012 - Necromancer Debate
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:54 am 
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So let me sum up your stance: I should be testing things instead of whining. I agree. That is why I have been testing things.

On the other hand, -you- are whining, and posting no evidence to support what you say. You say that I am incorrect in saying that you can one-shot all of a necros controls before he can kill your pet. You are wrong. It is not difficult to do. It is, in fact, almost guaranteed. You wouldn't know this because you spent all of our fights trying to spam BoG me instead of one-shotting my controls and winning.


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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 12/10/2012 - Necromancer Debate
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:02 am 
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This reminds me of the movie 'Due Date' and Edoras is Robert Downey Jr...

Well, it doesn't really relate perfectly, but that's still a great movie. Basically, things happen to Robby DJ, and he just friendlies and moans instead of dealing with it properly. This is your opportunity to go and find out, truly, how the new changes affect necromancers in action. On paper, it looks good to us. When you take that paper and only imagine what it's going to look like in reality, it's still your imagination. And a couple of simple holy word tests aren't truly testing it. It's going to take you a couple of months at least before we feel you've tested it enough.

Go do what Surrit would normally do. Raise up some undead and go kill a bunch of things. If it doesn't work, DO NOT...I repeat, DO NOT come crying right away. This change is a heavy one. Try a different undead army formation. Raise a few more skeletons, throw in some zombies, and give it another go.

On this other MUD I've played, with changes like this, there is almost always a complete pwipe. That's right. A deletion of everyone's character. There was a change put in recently where everyone's level was dropped 20% for something relatively small. And honestly, if Dulrik takes this into consideration, I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't feel the least bit of remorse for bringing it up.

In short, go play. The playground is different. They took away your slide. You've cried. Now it's time to move on to the monkey bars. Have fun and enjoy yourself. If you feel you can't, then hop out of the necro playground and move on to the sorc playground. They have two slides!

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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 12/10/2012 - Necromancer Debate
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:04 am 
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Edoras wrote:
So let me sum up your stance: I should be testing things instead of whining. I agree. That is why I have been testing things.

On the other hand, -you- are whining, and posting no evidence to support what you say. You say that I am incorrect in saying that you can one-shot all of a necros controls before he can kill your pet. You are wrong. It is not difficult to do. It is, in fact, almost guaranteed. You wouldn't know this because you spent all of our fights trying to spam BoG me instead of one-shotting my controls and winning.


The infamous "no, YOU are" defense. Much along the lines of blaming Styles for playing a lightie/enemy just because he wanted necros balanced, too.

I would not play a lightie again, and I still want necros balanced. This isn't a game of biases, here. It's balance. Objective balance. Because you don't have a grasp of it doesn't mean the rest of us don't, either. Apparently, by the fact this change even exists, you're wrong.

We're done here. Please, play. The only logs you've posted are pre-change, so if you ARE playing, then you aren't doing a good job of representing it. We need information, not knee-jerk.


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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 12/10/2012 - Necromancer Debate
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:07 am 
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Well said, Roddy. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 12/10/2012 - Necromancer Debate
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:17 am 
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From what I have seen here (noting I haven't seen all of your testing) but it appears you are trying to be the exact same necro things you did before. You appear to want your necro to be exactly the same as before and you don't actually want to think outside your box.


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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 12/10/2012 - Necromancer Debate
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RABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLE.

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 Post subject: Re: Code Update 12/10/2012 - Necromancer Debate
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:45 am 
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Ha ha. Fear + Taunt would be the most OP combo evar.


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