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 Post subject: Re: Scribe
PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 1:57 pm 
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Edoras wrote:
I'd bet good money that he had RE up, and potentially protection/sanc. Sticky magma one-shots casters without buffs.


That's what I'm thinking..But it seems like buffs would mitigate the damage from the following harm spells as well.

[HP: 85%] [ME: 51%] [PE:100%]
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xxx utters the words, 'pabraw'.
You yell 'Guards! xxx is trying to murder me!'
You moan and vomit as xxx's spell causes your organs to twist!
That really did HURT!

[HP: 53%] [ME: 51%] [PE:100%]
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[HP: 82%] [ME: 49%] [PE: 90%]
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xxx utters the words, 'pabraw'.
You moan and vomit as xxx's spell causes your organs to twist!
That really did HURT!

[HP: 49%] [ME: 49%] [PE: 90%]

later in the log. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but magma is supposed to ignore MR and..MP as well isn't it? Or am I mistake on the MP part? Considering the character told me with shield and enchants he has around 55 MP..Why does harm do so much more damage than magma? Granted, don't get me wrong. Magma is insanely deadly when it clings, but Harm seems to be better suited against people with enchants as it seems like MP doesn't mitigate it as much as it does every other warlock spell. Case in point the Gnome in question taking 3-6% from full fireball hits followed by a 20% magma and a 32 and 33% harm.

I'm not trying to whine, I'm legitimately trying to understand it, because it seems to me there is absolutely no point to cast any spell unless it's a one shot spell. Once a person is buffed, unless you have dispel or something that you know can one shot them such as petrification or FoD vs elves etc, it seems like you never have enough time to cast to take them down, especially when you're fighting someone who can recite or spam cast it at you while soaking up your damage.


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 Post subject: Re: Scribe
PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:20 pm 
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So he obviously had RE up. Geez. If you were actually the person casting RE in that encounter you would have realized that because it gives a message when you cast magma at a target and they have resist elements. It's like a big flashing neon sign that says 'STOP CASTING MAGMA AT THIS PERSON.' Good warlocks will realize that it's obviously fruitless bothering to spam magma at a target with RE up that isn't bashed, and will instead focus their damage on whatever target is in front of them, so that eventually said caster will be front row and bashable, which will drop them a heck of a lot faster than any spam magma.

That reminds me of Syn's guardian warlock that would just constantly gate into Menegroth until her guard NPC/elemental died, and then recall and get another until her enemies died from the constant harass. Casters would just consistently throw out damage spells directly at her, which was a big fat waste of time. Whenever I fought her as Turon I would just spam damage spells at the NPCs in front of her and force her to recall within 3 or 4 rounds or she would have gotten bashed and died. People just need to critically think about what tactics they can use to force someone into actual danger instead of just relying on whatever they used while leveling, because people in general are smarter than NPCs that will just sit there and die.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:41 am 
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Edoras wrote:
ninja_ardith wrote:
Making resist elements unbrewable was pointless considering that there are a ready supply of staves/scrolls that can grant the spell. The only classes this hurt is warriors. Sorcerers and such are still not threatened by the spells at all. Pretty sure it would have been better just to remove the spell entirely.

It's actually pretty amusing to see a non-MR race caster get magma'd without resist elements, because it one-shots them.


But you just about never see that because there are so many RE staves in the game. You can generally always expect to see a caster with resist elements up.

I doubt any of my casters would have been one-shot by magma spray, but it certainly was obvious that I had less hps than my warriors.

Casters are probably the hardest classes to kill in the game, but I'm pretty sure that mercs and barbs are better than them, even without the ability to get resist elements.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:05 am 
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I don't think it's accurate to say that most casters have RE.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:52 am 
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He may be trying to say that there are scrolls of resist elements that are cheap. Pretty sure there is a stave out there, too. I betcha there are some wands, but I don't know that for sure.


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