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 Post subject: Re: Kick And Foot Weapons
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:19 am 
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I don't believe it has been expressly stated anywhere whether or not you get some degree of armor protection from hand or foot weapons such as spiked gauntlets or spiked boots. If you have logs showing deflections by these items, then it would indicate you do. This doesn't seem like a bug, seeing as how you don't have the option to enchant these items like armor and, as such, they cannot provide nearly as good protection to that spot as standard armor can.

My guess is this is a feature.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:08 pm 
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Well knuckles should provide some sort of protection from an rl standpoint. If someone swings a sword at you there is a chance you can deflect it with the knuckles. Same with plated boots


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 Post subject: Re: Kick And Foot Weapons
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:15 pm 
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Deathadder wrote:
Well knuckles should provide some sort of protection from an rl standpoint. If someone swings a sword at you there is a chance you can deflect it with the knuckles. Same with plated boots


Holy [REDACTED] dude, if a dude is swinging a sword at you, you should not try to deflect it with a pair of knuckles.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:31 pm 
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That is a straw man argument. If someone hits your hand with a sword you are better off having something on your hand than nothing; it has nothing to do with actively trying to block a sword slash.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:24 pm 
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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about, Styles.

It's probably because you watch too many action flicks. This is even covered in one of Bruce Lee's books, and he is wrong too. Yeah, you can do something stupid like try to block an edged weapon with some knuckles, but then you're dead. You might even be successful, but think about it for a moment, the knuckles cover such a little bit of surface area, and the edged weapon can so easily slip around these, the guy can then just drag the edge down and start cutting. Edged weapons output ridiculous amounts of force due to the special ways physics work with reduced surface area, and such. It doesn't take a lot of effort to start cutting, and cause grievous body harm.

Sword fights don't last that long in reality. The only reason you see these fights in books and movies is to make it exciting for the reader or viewer. I won't even get into how much more [REDACTED] this gets when you're dealing with weapons that deal puncture damage like spears.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:27 pm 
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Glad you could settle that for us. Remember that this is SK, which is a lot closer to an action movie than to real life.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:06 pm 
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ninja_ardith wrote:
Yeah, you can do something stupid like try to block an edged weapon with some knuckles, but then you're dead. You might even be successful, but think about it for a moment, the knuckles cover such a little bit of surface area, and the edged weapon can so easily slip around these...


This is so impossibly illogical it is hard to believe anyone really wrote it, but you did. First, read my previous post and try to comprehend it. Nobody is blocking anything or trying to block anything. Someone is getting hit by a sword. That person gets hit in the hand. If you were that person would you rather have some spiked gloves, brass knuckles, or some similar object on your hand or would you rather have nothing at all? You have already answered this: the knuckles cover a small area but that area is bigger than zero. Ergo, the knuckles are better than nothing. You have gone from having your hand slashed for certain to having your hand slashed with high probability.

Thus, these implements should provide protection that is better than nothing and worse than armor, which is how SK seems to model it. So, no bug as far as I can tell.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:43 pm 
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Are you seriously trying to argue this against me, Styles?

At least you could be like patrisaurus and acknowledge that SK is closer to an action movie than real life. It's called suspension of disbelief. Anybody that tries to block an edged weapon with knuckles IRL though is going to one of two places, the hospital, or the grave.

This argument just gets worse and worse. You cannot win this no matter what weapon you are talking about. I even want to see you try to defend your stance against bludgeoning weapons that deal transfer of motion damage. You know, the very reason that people don't walk around in suits of armor anymore.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:32 pm 
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Can you compare it to wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle? In reality, a motorcycle accident is going to be brutal enough that the helmet is going to actually do a whole lot. But I, for one, would much rather be in an accident while wearing a helmet than be without one. Maybe the helmet won't stop sever damage, but it very well could stop your brains from turning to jelly.

What about modern day soldiers wearing helmets? Do those things really stop bullets? They'll probably deflect glancing blows but a straight, direct shot to the dome is going to penetrate that helmet (I'm not an expert, this is just me speculating). Even still, I'm sure you'd rather have that thing on your noggin than not.

What about boxers who wear that funny padded helmet thing? They are still taking impact blows to the head, but the pads are lessening the hits to some degree. Can you see a comparison there?


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 Post subject: Re: Kick And Foot Weapons
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:32 pm 
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ninja_ardith wrote:
Anybody that tries to block...

See above. Try to comprehend.

Opey gets it.


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