Shattered Kingdoms

Disagree. HP trains don't do a lot, unless you stack a lot of them. Even then, it's arguably better to get both the innate fort + hp of con trains vs the flat-rate hp bump of an hp train.

EDIT: Not to mention, depending on class the HP train is essentially a waste of a limited resource at end-game. A bard, a scout, a priest, a sorc, and a few other classes would gain a much larger long-term benefit from the con train than the hp train.

Oh? My mistake: I had assumed the hp train would give more hp than a con-bonus would for low hit die classes such as those. But I think you have a point: low fortitude is a bad weakness to leave on the same hypothetical character.

While in newbie help though, we should probably highlight the many ways in which attribute trains are in fact somewhat renewable, I think. That'd be a good thing to showcase to the younglings, while I do think it shouldn't be taken as a counterpoint to your observation.

Negative.

Man, I'm so glad you know what you're talking about so you can give such great advice to new players. Oh, wait.

To be fair, none of us really know how many hitpoints you gain from any source, nor how many you have. Taking anyone's advice too seriously is something any newbie should be careful about.

Mmm im not sure how much fort you think you are getting from max con. Your sprite could never resist petrification on the 1st cast.

Its better to max hp and mod con and fort. Hp trains > Con trains for amount of extra health added to life pool.

You are here to give newbies good advice. Not spread misinformation with your bad attitude.

I didn't see anyone attempt to answer this. It's hard to be certain, but it sounds like your character is wearing armor for which they are not trained. If you wear heavy armor as a mage, your skills will be penalized. It's either this, or you were under a mind altering affect such as berserk (which also negatively affects your skill levels). During the time you were dead, you would have not been affected by either of these things.

Thank you for replying, Dulrik but I have not understood the reply. I will try to explain better some of the things that happened that I find too strange or still don't understand.

First, a new player will not know anything about kinds of armor, so if that affects so much in the starting training areas, new players will be very much affected. I already knew about armor, but at first I was wearing anything I found there, until I could select what looked better for me.

So, yes, it was a Mage in the Grotto. Where we see an Opening, a girl there looked "touch challenge" and the Mage killed her though it was not easy. After recovering health and mana (maybe I lost the protective spells from the healer), she attacked the other girl in the next room, who was also "tough challenge" and in one blow the girl killed the Mage from complete health to 0. As I said, many are easy, especially after a bit, but this one was really surprising.

The other strange thing (and which I don't understand) is when I don't see myself as dead but as Stunned, with -10hp or so. The first time (in the Grotto) I even managed to lose my innate Spells and Skills, and they became Superb (this changed after I died several times and was resurrected automatically and it is fixed now at Mastered).

Another that stuns the Mage at -hp is an archer (Sherwood forest or around). This got into a vicious cycle where the archer sends an arrow, the Mage can't move, and this continues on and on for a very long time. The archer finally stopped but it was astonishing for a while...

What is that -hp thing?

I am keeping this character at Amateur to be automatically resurrected, which makes things easier for me, trying to learn to walk from city to city at least.

I am enjoying many things in the game: the pets, the mechanics, spells...the people are very nice, but I think it is too harsh, at least for new players.

NPCs that stun in the newbie areas should probably be considered a bug. If they are continuously keeping you stunned, it's definitely a bug. As for negative hit points, here is the rule on hit points: If you have positive number, you are conscious. Going to 0 hp knocks you unconscious. Going to -10 hp makes you dead.

This is something that could use some modification. Only the low damage newbie monsters actually do low enough amounts of damage to send you into unconsciousness without also dying. It's a mechanic that you rarely actually see happening in the latter parts of the game. You should probably need to drop to -10% hp instead of -10 hp instead, which would make it more relevant as damage and your hit point pool increase.