Shattered Kingdoms

No, generally being the high favored of the god of Fear mans that no one else who is better is available to take it up, or wants the hassle of the position. If someone can't actually incite fear in others when their god has basically given them the right away, their god should be slaying them daily until they learn to HTFU and make people afraid.

As blunt as OA is on this, which mind you I do believe his attitude in doing so is a bit harsh and I can't believe I'm agreeing with him, he is right on this one. The PK'ers in this game don't show fear. They don't fear anything. Their character's are emotionless tools that will come beat you down and claim victory. Sorry guys, I'm not trying to take a pot shot at you, but seriously, when was the last time any of your characters RP'ed actual, real fear? Case in point, the trip through the Temple of Nightmares with Syrina. Most of the vets didn't even so much bat an eye at the various illusions of death and stuff there.

Anyways, moving on from that question, the Hellion code displays that strength is power. It is above all else and the foundation that keeps the hellion's honor afloat. While I don't much like the PK front in this game, OA is absolutely right in this regard. A Hellion that doesn't score at least a few kills doesn't have bragging rights. They're not going to have anyone showing them any respect, much less the veterans that really thrive on PK. In that case, a Hellion, by their code, HAS to surrender. They simply don't have a choice as they must concede to a stronger opponent, be it dark, light or grey. It's simply how the code dictates UNTIL they can kill the person in question and regain their lost honor.

Finally, just because you are HF of an immortal doesn't mean you garner respect right off the bat. Again, those vets that thrive on PK will just come kill you.

Now, with that out of the way. Don, Eberhardt was an okay character. You roleplayed him well and kept the tough guy act even when you were downtrodden and beaten. Coming from a previous HF Hellion from fear, I know it's tough to not back down. Icly I can see Eberhardt's refusal to allow himself to surrender simply from fear of Algorab's punishment. That was how I played Osore back when I had him a long time ago.

After playing Draken for a while, Hellion's are a hard class to play and, sadly, one of the few that require you be able to surrender if you start getting whooped. Despite that though I won't say he was a bad character. I do wish you the best of luck on your next.

Sounds like its not just a hellion thing, suspension of disbelief is an issue in this game when people simply don't want to play a certain way. I'm quoting yours but having read Kin's post as well, you can't make people afraid in SK unless the tool sitting behind the opposing computer wants them to be. Eberhardt could have put half the game in body bags and some novice still could of just lol'd at him before getting the shaft themself.

The point is if Eberhardt had been able to put half the game in body bags then he'd have justification to strut around like the king of all darkness. He didn't, couldn't, and apparently doesn't even care to try, and therefore does not have that justification. He did it anyways though, and that's really what's lol worthy about the character.

PVP trumps RP.

This is news?

FTFY.

I think its all a matter of opinion, honestly. I haven't done much PvP on my rogue and have made a huge reputation, despite how I prefer to play the game, I still managed to accomplish many things in game to really put a spark and shine on my character. Also... I take full credit for the Lighties getting smashed at the Nightmare Tower.

RP is an essential form of PVP: allegedly people are cursed for not having RP in their PVP.

PVP is an optional expression of RP. No one is cursed for not killing other people unless they make a commitment to do so. You don't have to type "kill" to roleplay. Essential? Yeah, right.

Vet twinks just can't deal with that.

Grep, your comment perfectly illustrates what I believe is the biggest problem between what you want SK to be versus what it actively aims to be doing. Sort of like real life, SK is not ONLY words, it has its own laws of nature, physics, magic and even politics (all represented by game mechanics). Words alone usually won't overcome them. You have to work the system and make use of resources or else all you are is talk.

In an example somewhat related to this thread, I will cite Kim Jon Un, the dictator of North Korea. People fear him and he rules the country. But does he rule the country because people fear him personally? No, he rules it because he controls a network of people that collectively have the power to put people in body bags if they disagree with him. Or in other words, he has the PKers on his side.

No, you just can't deal with the idea that PvP is an essential part of the philosophy of this game. You don't HAVE to engage in it, but if you're going to play a character that struts around like he owns the world, you HAVE to be able to back it up mechanically or you will rightly be laughed at by all the rest of the characters in the game.