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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:02 pm 
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It is valid, because RL <> SK. If you are unable to grasp that, there is no helping you. Loot has never been an acceptable PK reason. Has window dressing been done to make it look otherwise? Of course.


That was always my stand, loot has NEVER been an acceptable reason for PK. You can justify it sure, especially with dark characters, but in SK I've always thought it would be better with more RP and less of this. Actually Finney you highlight my point, so many find innumerable 'reasons' to PK which are paper-thin with no respect for the other player or how long it took them to gather their things or how it might affect their experience playing. Your attitude Finney is part of why I don't play anymore. You are forgetting this is an SK community, not a 'finney tries to win sk' experience. Next you will say 'get better at PK so you won't have to worry about it' :p. Times have changed.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:06 pm 
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Mr.Treefinger wrote:
Galactus wrote:
It is valid, because RL <> SK. If you are unable to grasp that, there is no helping you. Loot has never been an acceptable PK reason. Has window dressing been done to make it look otherwise? Of course.


That was always my stand, loot has NEVER been an acceptable reason for PK. You can justify it sure, especially with dark characters, but in SK I've always thought it would be better with more RP and less of this. Actually Finney you highlight my point, so many find innumerable 'reasons' to PK which are paper-thin with no respect for the other player or how long it took them to gather their things or how it might affect their experience playing.


You're both wrong. Greed, envy, and coveting what other people have is a perfectly acceptable reason for PK. Not sure why you think roleplaying those motivations is somehow against the rules or the even spirit of the rules - it is not.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:09 pm 
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I have had characters that are hunted relentlessly based on the weakest of RP excuses ICly because of OOC greed.

Ima let you finish, but I have to say, from the characters that I have met, you only have had mediocre gear at best. Store bought mods, skins vials but nothing rare to the point that any player would single you out for a minimal rp pk. O_o

Not sure why you are screaming foul play because every time I have met you and killed your character, I've practically given you back 90 percent of your gear.

Also I don't think ardiths hellion is wearing the stardust armor.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:15 pm 
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Finney, we are not wrong. We are expressing our views and opinions of a game and what we think is wrong/ what would make it better. You are no more right or wrong, for you simply state your opinion. As I mentioned, you do not take into account the other player/ the time they have spent/ the sk community. You do what you want and disregard everyone else, if this is truly how you play. It would not surprise me to learn you could care less whether or not I play again, as you have not responded to that. You seem to be one of these people, the sk people that turn me off to the game, that seem to think what you do doesnt affect others and doesnt better/ worsen SK. There is a reason player counts are low, I have always offered suggestions like these which contribute and I have always been shat on by those with similar beliefs to you. Perhaps only when the ship sinks will the captain see his error. As far as jreid, Im not even trying to turn this into the typical SK argument so dont even go there alright. Ive played this game for a very long time and have had many different experiences, show a little respect. You telling me you don't know what I am talking about is not only ignorance, it is also what leads a seasoned veteran like myself away from SK. Its not that I can't PK, or do as everyone else does, its the pbase and the mindset pervading the game these days.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:18 pm 
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Mr.Treefinger wrote:
Finney, we are not wrong. We are expressing our views and opinions of a game and what we think is wrong/ what would make it better. You are no more right or wrong, for you simply state your opinion. As I mentioned, you do not take into account the other player/ the time they have spent/ the sk community. You do what you want and disregard everyone else, if this is truly how you play. It would not surprise me to learn you could care less whether or not I play again, as you have not responded to that. You seem to be one of these people, the sk people that turn me off to the game, that seem to think what you do doesnt affect others and doesnt better/ worsen SK. There is a reason player counts are low, I have always offered suggestions like these which contribute and I have always been shat on by those with similar beliefs to you. Perhaps only when the ship sinks will the captain see his error. As far as jreid, Im not even trying to turn this into the typical SK argument so dont even go there alright. Ive played this game for a very long time and have had many different experiences, show a little respect. You telling me you don't know what I am talking about is not only ignorance, it is also what leads a seasoned veteran like myself away from SK. Its not that I can't PK, or do as everyone else does, its the pbase and the mindset pervading the game these days.


If you don't want to play SK any longer, that is a "you" issue and not a "me" issue. If you're not having fun, move on. And the player counts are low because of console games and MMOs, not because a character was killed because someone else coveted their valuables.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:26 pm 
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Mr.Treefinger wrote:
Finney, we are not wrong. We are expressing our views and opinions of a game and what we think is wrong/ what would make it better. You are no more right or wrong, for you simply state your opinion. As I mentioned, you do not take into account the other player/ the time they have spent/ the sk community. You do what you want and disregard everyone else, if this is truly how you play. It would not surprise me to learn you could care less whether or not I play again, as you have not responded to that. You seem to be one of these people, the sk people that turn me off to the game, that seem to think what you do doesnt affect others and doesnt better/ worsen SK. There is a reason player counts are low, I have always offered suggestions like these which contribute and I have always been shat on by those with similar beliefs to you. Perhaps only when the ship sinks will the captain see his error. As far as jreid, Im not even trying to turn this into the typical SK argument so dont even go there alright. Ive played this game for a very long time and have had many different experiences, show a little respect. You telling me you don't know what I am talking about is not only ignorance, it is also what leads a seasoned veteran like myself away from SK. Its not that I can't PK, or do as everyone else does, its the pbase and the mindset pervading the game these days.


If you don't want to play SK again, that is a "you" issue and not a "me" issue. If you're not having fun, move on.


Exactly what I just wrote, regarding how you would respond. You think 'you' and 'me' are different. You think 'you' have no affect on 'me' and my playing experience. 'you' do what you want and if 'i' dont like it 'i' can leave. This is why the player counts are low. This is nothing new Finney, I have experienced this many times over the years which is extremely interesting to me in its own way. There seems to be a personality type shared by Finney, Ardith, Syn and others that I've witnessed which takes no blame for player counts going down and the subsequent downhill trend sk is taking. For people so smart it seems you lack the basic introspective skills that are neccesary to administer the golden rule. You are winning sk finney, don't worry. You and ardith have been winning for years, you're winning sk right into the ground. Like I said, its not a matter of 'if i dont like it i can leave' because i have already left lol. Eytheress (my last character) was a stab i took and had an even longer time I didnt play before that. Im posting for the good of the game, not to grant any current character a boon. I post because I care about SK despite the fact that I have encountered a handful of you knuckleheads. I still care about sk even though I dont play, thats how long Ive played and the type of person I am.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:28 pm 
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Mr.Treefinger wrote:
Finney, we are not wrong. We are expressing our views and opinions of a game and what we think is wrong/ what would make it better. You are no more right or wrong, for you simply state your opinion. As I mentioned, you do not take into account the other player/ the time they have spent/ the sk community. You do what you want and disregard everyone else, if this is truly how you play. It would not surprise me to learn you could care less whether or not I play again, as you have not responded to that. You seem to be one of these people, the sk people that turn me off to the game, that seem to think what you do doesnt affect others and doesnt better/ worsen SK. There is a reason player counts are low, I have always offered suggestions like these which contribute and I have always been shat on by those with similar beliefs to you. Perhaps only when the ship sinks will the captain see his error. As far as jreid, Im not even trying to turn this into the typical SK argument so dont even go there alright. Ive played this game for a very long time and have had many different experiences, show a little respect. You telling me you don't know what I am talking about is not only ignorance, it is also what leads a seasoned veteran like myself away from SK. Its not that I can't PK, or do as everyone else does, its the pbase and the mindset pervading the game these days.


I don't know why people like you who perpetrate things like killing lowbie delfs 20 levels under you with no rp (enmity) turn around and talk about the lack or rp with pk. I don't know why people like you join cabals for those new fighting abilities, but when you get killed, hey it was no rp, I quit. I just don't understand where you are coming from throwing out these accusations against the pbase like eq transfers from tolene and his hellion which haven't even taken place. Look, its unfortunate that you are deterred from the game because it is a time sink to you, but that is neither mine nor anyone else's fault here. You are the one being disrespectful here with your hypocrisy and accusations.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:29 pm 
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Mr.Treefinger wrote:
Exactly what I just wrote, regarding how you would respond. You think 'you' and 'me' are different. You think 'you' have no affect on 'me' and my playing experience. 'you' do what you want and if 'i' dont like it 'i' can leave. This is why the player counts are low. This is nothing new Finney, I have experienced this many times over the years which is extremely interesting to me in its own way. There seems to be a personality type shared by Finney, Ardith, Syn and others that I've witnessed which takes no blame for player counts going down and the subsequent downhill trend sk is taking. For people so smart it seems you lack the basic introspective skills that are neccesary to administer the golden rule. You are winning sk finney, don't worry. You and ardith have been winning for years, your winning sk right into the ground. Like I said, its not a matter of 'if i dont like it i can leave' because i have already left lol. Eytheress (my last character) was a stab i took and had an even longer time I didnt play before that. Im posting for the good of the game, not to grant any current character a boon. I post because I care about SK despite the fact that I have encountered a handful of you knuckleheads. I still care about sk even though I dont play, thats how long Ive played and the type of person I am.



It is probably best that you move on then. Good luck with whatever you choose to play next. The real difference between me and you is that you threaten to quit/leave, unless I change how I play to accommodate how you think the game should be played.

I am completely fine with how you and Galactus choose to play SK, and I won't be quitting or leaving over it. =)


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:38 pm 
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Jreid, you are so ignorant I can't even stand to acknowledge you beyond this very sentence. Finney, you started by calling me wrong, now my way of playing is acceptable to you. The difference is, the way I have played is not a domineering loot-driven PK war with no thought for the next man's experience. I'm not threatening to leave unless you change, I have already left (which you'd know if you read my previous posts)You don't even seem to grasp what I'm talking about. I'm not upset, nor am I new to this Finney. As I mentioned, I've experienced this for years. I have a feeling Galactus somehow knows exactly what I'm talking about though ;) My playing doesn't make SK less enjoyable for you, and if it did on a regular basis you would stop playing. The way you and others play many times does in fact make SK less enjoyable for me and many others, which is why player counts are down, that is why we have all left SK. I'm not going to continue on all night with this, and at this point I'm certain no one awake is going to comprehend what I'm saying. Perhaps I'll get some decent responses tomorrow. Goodnight


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:43 pm 
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You tell Eytheress 'East of vebjorn are a few of your things,
but not the gear that was stolen from a legionairre.'


Someone replies 'Keep it all, as I shall keep your's when next I find you.


You reply to someone 'Very well.

(Clearly its not about the loot with you. Perfectly content with taking other peoples loot, but cant even handle it when its taken from you and offered back the same day)
Also what is this about PK without RP? Attilius attacked me in sith for no reason. Not that I care either way, but for you to come here and scream foul play just doesn't make sense to me. Good luck with your next game though.


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