Not impressed with hedgehog stance.

Arelgama · **Posted:** Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:21 pm

Pretty sure I already mentioned he was using a massive weapon. It is a glaive. Why no one listen to me

Chris

grep · **Joined:** Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:50 pm **Posts:** 5522

It's nice to know that a builder's whimsy can tilt the balance of the underlying game's mechanics by including just the right kind of weapon for your build.

Makes you glad to be friends with one.

(I am not alleging that this has happened, just that the power creep with items is ridiculous since new features can be cheesed out of mattering at all with ancient item snake oil.)

Why aren't there more logs of swashbucklers disarming these giant-sized massive weapons they can do nothing to win against?

ninja_ardith · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:21 pm **Posts:** 4452

Dulrik wrote:

I already said that there is not enough information in that log to diagnose further. If your opponent is awesome and using an awesome anti-parry weapon and your character sucks and is using crap weapons for parrying, no stance is going to save you.

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Amateur   - dagger             (mastered)    sling              (not learned) 
            sword              (mastered)    dodge              (mastered)    
            dual wield         (mastered)    parry              (mastered)    
            swim               (very good)   taslamaran tongue  (mastered)    
            uxmaln tongue      (superb)      zhensh tongue      (superb)      
            empire tongue      (mastered)    aghelian tongue    (superb)      
            sylvan tongue      (superb)      firmyrn tongue     (very good)   
            deep tongue        (very good)   uxmaln writing     (good)        
            zhensh writing     (very good)   empire writing     (mastered)    
            aghelian writing   (very good)   sylvan writing     (very good)   
Novice    - dirt kicking       (mastered)    kick               (mastered)    
            self defense       (mastered)    juggle             (very good)   
            sneak              (mastered)    
Initiate  - disarm             (superb)      trip               (mastered)    
            fast healing       (superb)      haggle             (superb)      
Apprentice- crossbow           (very good)   brawling           (superb)      
            taunt              (mastered)    second attack      (mastered)    
            kip up             (very good)   
Journeyman- enhanced damage    (mastered)    finesse            (mastered)    
Veteran   - enhanced parry     (mastered)    endurance          (mastered)    
Expert    - skirmish           (not learned) 
Mentor    - riposte            (mastered)    
Master    - hedgehog stance    (mastered)  

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 o [Attributes] Araceli, Maiden of Blood                                     o
 o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
 o    Status: Grand Master(1)   Race: Human            Class: Swashbuckler   o
 o       Age: 53                 Sex: Female            Size: Medium         o
 o Alignment: Diabolic     Handiness: Right handed  Religion: Dabi           o
 o      Born: Winter Wolf 21, 1258                  Birthday: 308 days       o
 o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
 o       STR: Powerful           INT: Dim                WIS: Clever         o
 o       DEX: Acrobatic          CON: Durable            CHA: Sociable       o
 o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
 o Carrying capacity: 22 items with a maximum weight of 300.0 pounds.        o
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My skill set, and stats at the time. I was using two epees in the hedgehog stance, and I was fighting a minotaur mercenary using a bill and specialized in the bill. I don't know the stats behind the other swashbuckler though.

There is no combo of weapons, or justification for using the hedgehog stance. You get no attacks, and have 0 defense. Swashbucklers are still very, very uncompetitive. I'm assuming that the reason that bash knocks people into neutral was a counter-balance to this stance, but if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If it is the case, however, this is ultimately disappointing.

grep · **Joined:** Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:50 pm **Posts:** 5522

Dulrik's always mentioned tweaks could happen.

What would make it better?

ninja_ardith · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:21 pm **Posts:** 4452

The obvious: not sucking.

ninja_ardith · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:21 pm **Posts:** 4452

Galactus wrote:

D, the point is that the 'increased parry' chance was laughable.

Ardith, did you gag the dodges... or did you basically fail dodging anything?

I don't gag anything. Ever. None of the stuff I do is printed out to child windows, and I don't use any scripts at all.

FinneyOwnzU · **Joined:** Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:51 am **Posts:** 1500

grep wrote:

Dulrik's always mentioned tweaks could happen.

What would make it better?

Change the skill entirely - hedgehog provides an armor buff, giving the swashbuckler the equivalent of tanso steel. The swashbuckler still attacks as normal, etc.

Dulrik · **Posted:** Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:58 pm

Arelgama wrote:

Pretty sure I already mentioned he was using a massive weapon. It is a glaive. Why no one listen to me

Arelgama wrote:

He is also using a massive, is he not?

You didn't sound too sure of yourself. Also, ardith contradicts you above and says it was a bill. Which was it?

grep · **Joined:** Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:50 pm **Posts:** 5522

Would it make a difference?

Arelgama · **Posted:** Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:54 pm

I thought he was rocking a glaive, but it is a bill. My bad. As for being sure of myself, I was just bringing it to the attention of the poster that he was using a hard to parry massive. It was snarky in nature and less of a real question.

Chris

Shattered Kingdoms

Not impressed with hedgehog stance.

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