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 Post subject: Re: Disarm and blitzkrieg with reaching weapons
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:21 am 
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I haven't even touched this skill. It's restrictions make it pretty much useless.


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 Post subject: Re: Disarm and blitzkrieg with reaching weapons
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:13 pm 
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blitzkrieg needs fixed.

It is mechanically impossible to disarm someone while reaching from behind someone else.


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 Post subject: Re: Disarm and blitzkrieg with reaching weapons
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:20 pm 
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Dabi wrote:
I also don't always agree when the community flags something as "useless". More often I agree that certain things are useless/less useful in certain situations. Blitz does seem to be a skill much better suited to a variety of PvE situations rather than PvP.

While I also don't necessarily advocate using a bunch of kicks in PvP combat, I'm also curious, finney, if you're making your judgements on "kick" based upon the old version of the skill? Or if you're basing it upon the updated version that takes into consideration skills like self-defense/brawling/wild fighting, and the weaponized-boot knuckles/claws objects that were introduced to the game after that skill was buffed?


Blitzkrieg isn't even suited for PvE.

You have to be the target of attacks for it to work which means you have to be tanking. Any NPCs not attacking you will not be hit by it.

Kick is more useful than blitzkrieg.

It'd be nice to have blitzkrieg fixed if Dulrik wasn't spending his time doing the completely insane, like buffing prone status to remove stances.


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 Post subject: Re: Disarm and blitzkrieg with reaching weapons
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:41 pm 
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Looking at the help file it appears blitzkrieg has been altered to hit everyone in the front rank? If it has it is probably still not useful for the above discussion still holds true on bashing/tripping and quaffing.

Having looked at Greps thoughts about combat denial it made me think an interesting fix to both blitzkrieg and kick would be make the skills usable while prone. It would also be a slight nerf to bash and trip which I dont think anyone would disagree with being the most used skill in the game. This would put those skills into a place where they where the best option because you dont have the option to do the better solutions you might otherwise want to perform.


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 Post subject: Re: Disarm and blitzkrieg with reaching weapons
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:39 pm 
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Cordance wrote:
Looking at the help file it appears blitzkrieg has been altered to hit everyone in the front rank? If it has it is probably still not useful for the above discussion still holds true on bashing/tripping and quaffing.

Having looked at Greps thoughts about combat denial it made me think an interesting fix to both blitzkrieg and kick would be make the skills usable while prone. It would also be a slight nerf to bash and trip which I dont think anyone would disagree with being the most used skill in the game. This would put those skills into a place where they where the best option because you dont have the option to do the better solutions you might otherwise want to perform.


The helpfile has always been wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Disarm and blitzkrieg with reaching weapons
PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:50 pm 
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If I made it match the help file (always hits everyone in the front rank instead of those attacking you), would that make everyone happy?

Not saying I will do this, but just wanted go gauge the interest.


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 Post subject: Re: Disarm and blitzkrieg with reaching weapons
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:03 am 
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Dulrik wrote:
If I made it match the help file (always hits everyone in the front rank instead of those attacking you), would that make everyone happy?

Not saying I will do this, but just wanted go gauge the interest.


I would rather blitzkrieg hit everyone in reach in a formation. If one is front rank packing a bastard sword he or she will strike the full front of the enemy formation. If one is in the front rank with a glaive, he or she would hit the first two rows of the targeted formation. This would allow mercenaries fighting from the second rank the ability to blitzkrieg the front rank of a targeted formation.
(Disregard the part where no one would ever be in the front row with a polearm.)

I'm interested.


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 Post subject: Re: Disarm and blitzkrieg with reaching weapons
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:52 am 
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I think the reality of the situation is that bash/trip, quaff heal and retreat are still 100% the must do actions in PvP (assuming you are a merc). The only time it could ever come close to greater than those actions would be when you should be quaffing word of recall because your about to get wrecked. The only way I see the skill being use able is if it changes significantly.

I think to make Blitzkrieg useful it needs to either add to your defense for a tanking situation, or be use able while other abilities are not. The third option is do some other ability that is unique but do mercs really need a buff. It could maybe be useful if it was able to knock people out of stance it might find a situation when it was worth going for but probably not.

I think making it hit everyone in the front rank would buff the ability to be more use able the issue being it still would not super seed other more important PvP actions. It might become more useful in PvE but what is the point in an ability if you already have an over whelming edge. Really changing the help file would be the simple quick solution. To make blitzkrieg useful I think it is more a ground up redesign with a goal in mind.


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 Post subject: Re: Disarm and blitzkrieg with reaching weapons
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:04 am 
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Make it give a sort time speed boost to the merc in question, whole turning off all other abilities. You become so super focused on your speed you lose the ability to do anything else until it wears off. So you get a nice speed boost, but lose Abby command until the skill wears off.


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 Post subject: Re: Disarm and blitzkrieg with reaching weapons
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:52 am 
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You mean like Wolverine stance or Fury? I know that blitzkrieg needs some reworking, but the class as a whole is one of the best for melee. Would it really be fair to make the best better?


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