Shattered Kingdoms

Post title: And haste -does- stack with fury speed bonus, despite haste not stacking with weapon speed enchantments.

Is this intended? It's an unnecessary nerf to barbarians and I don't remember it being this way a while ago.

More information on further testing: I used Lathron for this test and a GM sorc. All of these tests were while furied, and while using a weapon subtype that is just barely under the threshold for 5 attacks while furied.

I enchanted the weapon with +3 speed, which combined with fury should have been enough to get 5 attacks. I only got 4 attacks.
I used weak haste and fury on an unenchanted weapon of the same subtype and I got 5 attacks.
Then, while still under the effects of that weak haste, I used another weapon of the same subtype with +2 speed. Then I stopped getting 5 attacks. The same with +3 speed: When using weak haste, I actually got less attacks when using a weapon WITH speed enchants than using one WITHOUT.
When the haste wore off and I used GM haste and fury, I got 5 attacks with both the unenchanted and enchanted weapons.

In Conclusion:
Speed enchants and fury don't stack.
Haste and fury do stack, except for...
If you have speed enchants equal or stronger than your haste bonus(?), neither haste or speed stack with fury.

Seems pretty buggy. It seems to me that speed enchants should stack with fury, but they don't, which is what seems to the primary cause of the problem here.

There are some serious bugs with weapon speed in general that affect its interaction with not only fury, but with haste, slow and certain religion spells. This is also not the first thread on this subject. There are at least two other related threads that never got resolved, which you can find HERE and HERE.

The second thread you linked, which occurred after the first, was answered by Dulrik. Both of those were made when haste, in some form, was stacking with weapon speed.


It seems to me this is a separate bug. There are also no threads about slow and religious spells and how they interact with weapon speed.

Just because you can't see them, doesn't mean they don't exist. They do.

Dulrik, would you be able to at least chime in on whether this -is- a bug, and if so whether it's being looked at? It doesn't make sense for fury not to stack with weapon speed, given that specialize does, and this is a pretty important gameplay balance issue for anyone playing a barbarian.

If you need more information I'm glad to do more testing, but I think the scenarios in my second post outline the problem pretty clearly.

I can't chime in currently because I haven't had time to research it. Will be catching up on forums and investigation of bugs over this long weekend.

Thanks!

Any update on this? Fury, haste, slow etc plus a religion spell are all out of whack.

Haste doesn't stack with wolverine anymore, it would seem.