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Or considering, perhaps, that hellions are the only other class that gets the 'hide' ability, and the closest thing to a backstab with regards to an opening melee damage attack.

I can easily imagine a rogue as Principled or Aberrant, if they were doing what they were doing, zealously, and for a larger cause.

Kill less RP.

doing what they are doing zealously is scrupulous actually. Its what makes the differences. Scrupulous are willing to do some sketchy things for the greater good.

To be honest, I can see a pretty clear logic behind no principled/aberrant rogues.

They're the equivalent of lawful good/evil. What lawful good or evil person even learns how to steal and backstab?

At first I was in agreement with principled / aberrant rogues. However, I'm having to agree that there's nothing honorable about backstabbing / stealing. They do more fit along the line of a scrupulous / miscreant.

However, there's nothing stoping them really from acting honorable and forming their own code like an Assassin. It's all about the RP, and alignments are more like guidelines anyways. =P

Someone who believes that just because skills can be used dishonourably doesn't mean they have to be. There's more to rogues than stealing and backstabbing, just like there's more to priests than frenzy and harm (But I've heard of certain priests restricting themselves from using such spells due to their beliefs. In the same vein, rogues can keep their hands to themselves when necessary, and fight with honor if they so desire.)


As Valtari, Destrivai once stunned my comrade in battle, presumably to torture later. I ran in and killed her, then later tried (in vain) to steal her corpse from Destrivai.

Also on Valtari, I would often sneak behind enemy lines in the Empire alone and look for equipment. I remember one time I stole nearly an entire suit of armor off of the imperial immunes that had been given to them in between PKs. Had I tried to fight their warparty myself, I would have been completely destroyed.

Excluding a few choice circumstances (all involving deep-elves), I never stole from an enemy unless I was planning to attack him, (for example, trying to steal their recall/heal potions before a fight) never stole from any non-enemies unless I was just fooling around, often picked the gates of Krychire, and the jail cells of imprisoned elven slaves, and I never attacked a sleeping sentient foe, at least not purposefully. Valtari didn't see her skills as necessarily dishonourable, and fought against that notion her entire life. She used whatever tactics she could to defend good, without becoming dishonourable in the process.

Also... wtf in the helpfile does principled say anything about honor? That's paladins.


I'm saying this for a few reasons: First of all, my very first character was a principled rogue which I greatly enjoyed and I feel that others might enjoy this concept also. Secondly, I'd like to play one again, with more PK experience under my belt.

The argument that rogues shouldn't be able to be aberrant is thinner than paper, also, considering they're very similar to light-armor hellions with no maledicts or intimidate. Again: Just because skills -can- be used a certain way doesn't mean they have to be. A paladin -can- word away at the first sign of danger, a hellion -can- run in and cleave random PCs whom he has no quarrel with, and a rogue -can- backstab and steal at random and only for personal gain. That does NOT mean that this is right at all, or otherwise the only right way to play.

Give the alignments back!

The alignments need to be returned. Aberrant and principled are mindsets, not skill sets. Every single class in sk can use their skillsets to be abberant or principled.

It's rediculous to limit the rp on a mud that stresses rp.

I believe tragonis played a perfect aberrant rogue knightlord of the empire awhile back.

We've had two well played principled rogues.

You could argue that a principled person who believes in doing nothing but good for people would never learn how to use any weapons or to fight at all...or run them through with lances...cough hammer.

There is no good argument or reason as to why rogues have lost these two alignments. None.

His name was Jorlan, and he was well played.

Give these alignments back.

I thought Jorlan was grey aura.

Regardless, give rogues their stuff back.

I was never happy that rogues could be those alignments before. If I'd been able to set them up this way in 1995, that's what I would have done. I didn't have the tech back to easily do it then, but now I do.

I don't believe that rogues have the mindset to be principled or aberrant. They train to steal and they train to murder people from the shadows. These aren't the skills of an honorable or law-abiding person.

A good roleplaying environment enforces certain restrictions and in my humble opinion, this restriction benefits overall RP. I have no intention of bringing those alignments back for rogues.

Omfg, please explain to me how rogues are any different than hellions. As far as the "murder people from the shadows" or whatever. Hellions get hide and cleave, kthx. And no, they do not issue challenges.