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 Post subject: Endless cycle of gimping
PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:13 am 
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I guess I just wanted to address the current subtype tweaking (and when I say tweaking I mean wimping ofc) from a slightly different perspective and maybe bring something to Dulriks attention.

To begin with, here is how I see it... A few subtypes in this game were overly powerful in comparison with the rest, and thus were wimped, fine and dandy... A few of them got wimped too hard, and thus got tweaked in the other direction just a tad to still make them "viable" option. (The word viable isn't the correct adjective to use here in my opinion though, as no merc operated by a player who has been here for over a year would _ever_ spec in something "...viable..." if he didn't have some iota of a clue that its a better spec than other weapons.)

On top of this "tweaking" people get creative, and start looking for new subtypes that are spec-worthy... Right off the bat, a few of the more prominent "twinks" (The term twink here referring to someone who knows their mechanics and tries to optimize their characters performance, most of the time within the realm of having good rp at the same time.) come out and claim that No-dachi is now the new flamberge/khopesh/kama of specs and is super super awesome. As a response to this, thoughts ideas spring out to give this weapon limitations as to being one/two handed...

Now I am not saying that no-dachi shouldn't be a two-hander only weapon, I am just saying that Dulrik should watch out that he doesn't end up gimping every weapon subtype when the players find out it's nice to spec in, not only will he [REDACTED] off most of the playerbase, but also the point of wimping a few select subtypes will be defeated, and he might as well have just lowered damage two notches on all weapons to begin with.

Am I making sense? :-?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:20 am 
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When Sypher and I proposed such changes, most of the playerbase was against it and Dulrik couldn't be convinced of how overpowered the melee with khopesh/bspear/kama/flamberge was.

And it's well established I think so far that Dulrik doesn't understand arguments and words.

Eventually as you said the good subtypes of each time period will be used almost exclusively, wimped further and further and the overall result will be the same as it was supposed to be at first.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:21 am 
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One word. Pigsticker.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:11 am 
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Wait. Everyone said melee was OP. Mercs were pretty much dominant in PK. Most mercs specced in the top tier weapons. Isn't balancing out most of those subtypes a step in the right direction for slowing down melee or am I wrong?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:17 am 
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But after khopesh/bspear/kama/flamberge, now comes the time to wimp nodachi and others(let's face it, some weapons are by far superior to others now and they will be the new trend). Then more will follow after these get wimped.

So after some time, the final result would be the same as lower all melee damage overall and that could be done from the very beginning.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:39 am 
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[REDACTED]... D-A and me actually agree...


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:40 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:42 am 
There's a difference between tweaking the good weapons to put them on par with others...and making kamas(one of the tweaked weapons) worse than cutlasses. I mean wtf, are you kidding me?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:46 am 
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Wow! I didn't know it was that bad.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:48 am 
Er, damn, I meant cutlass. :oops:


Edit : Damnit, I'm sleepy and at work, and I think I'm mixing this up, I had a bunch of swashie weapons I was comparing yesterday, I'll check again when I get home. Sorry! :oops:


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