Request vs enchanting

the_me · **Posted:** Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:13 am

I think spidermonkey hit the nail on the head on that one.

patrisaurus · **Posted:** Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:32 pm

spidermonkey wrote:

Paladins are principled not scrupulous. It's one of the issues I have with most people who play them. Life above all else, it's a really hard thing to play. For a paladin to issue the order to repeatedly kill another paladin just for his gear and the greater good is scrupulous at passable, not principled.

I do not play a paladin and my character values righteousness, not life, above all else.

ninja_ardith · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:21 pm **Posts:** 4452

spidermonkey wrote:

Paladins are principled not scrupulous. It's one of the issues I have with most people who play them. Life above all else, it's a really hard thing to play. For a paladin to issue the order to repeatedly kill another paladin just for his gear and the greater good is scrupulous at passable, not principled.

Goes back to hellions being abbherent also, people see them as dark aura and all dark auras have the ability to just do whatever they want and call dark aura.

Enforcing alignment would be nice, it's been called for far too often, but I don't see any big push now or in the near future.

Hellions are not just aberrant, they have a code they have to follow, which really cracks me up behind the keyboard when I am typing [REDACTED] out. The hellion code is probably one of the best things in the game, ever, and it has never gone through a code change. I swear sometimes people focus way too much on the PvP or skillset to truly enjoy a character.

spidermonkey · **Joined:** Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:59 am **Posts:** 755

ninja_ardith wrote:

Hellions are not just aberrant, they have a code they have to follow, which really cracks me up behind the keyboard when I am typing love out. The hellion code is probably one of the best things in the game, ever, and it has never gone through a code change. I swear sometimes people focus way too much on the PvP or skillset to truly enjoy a character.

I think this is about the most intelligent thing you have ever said, and I agree, even as I catch myself in the same boat.

If you are principled your alignment states LIFE above all else, not righteousness. If you are scrupulous there is some leeway, but giving commands to slaughter another lightie for gear is pushing it. I could see it once, to repeatedly do it over and over should be punishable.

Dulrik · **Posted:** Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:45 pm

patrisaurus wrote:

I think it's unjustifiable to wordlessly roll through light aura areas slaughtering people for gear as a lightie and that certain things - priests, divine creatures, noncombatants, rulers, judges, etc - are obviously off limits. However my elf did authorize killing the paladin in Cain Techt on a limited basis as necessary to respawn his gear.

I don't see how you can justify this as a light-aura character. The NPC is even a paladin, so why aren't you just requesting? If you aren't high enough level to request his gear from him, then you shouldn't have it yet. If this is the case where the paladin is not flagged as light-aura, definitely typo log it, and pester imms until it is fixed. But you should never go out of character, particularly over gear.

Edit: And if this is because his stuff never re-spawned, it sounds like the bug is that he probably should be flagged as a unique character. Typo log it.

JeanValjean · **Posted:** Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:58 pm

Dulrik wrote:

patrisaurus wrote:

I think it's unjustifiable to wordlessly roll through light aura areas slaughtering people for gear as a lightie and that certain things - priests, divine creatures, noncombatants, rulers, judges, etc - are obviously off limits. However my elf did authorize killing the paladin in Cain Techt on a limited basis as necessary to respawn his gear.

I don't see how you can justify this as a light-aura character. The NPC is even a paladin, so why aren't you just requesting? If you aren't high enough level to request his gear from him, then you shouldn't have it yet. If this is the case where the paladin is not flagged as light-aura, definitely typo log it, and pester imms until it is fixed. But you should never go out of character, particularly over gear.

Edit: And if this is because his stuff never re-spawned, it sounds like the bug is that he probably should be flagged as a unique character. Typo log it.

There's another bug that seems to make gear that blows up in enchanting rather than being junked doesn't show up even on unique NPCs with the flag (like the paladin in question here) on areaticks unless they are killed.

ninja_ardith · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:21 pm **Posts:** 4452

They should spam typo log it until it gets fixed. I feel for them, I really do, but I think it is +lame that they are breaking their alignment for phat lewt.

patrisaurus · **Posted:** Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:48 pm

Dulrik wrote:

patrisaurus wrote:

I think it's unjustifiable to wordlessly roll through light aura areas slaughtering people for gear as a lightie and that certain things - priests, divine creatures, noncombatants, rulers, judges, etc - are obviously off limits. However my elf did authorize killing the paladin in Cain Techt on a limited basis as necessary to respawn his gear.

I don't see how you can justify this as a light-aura character. The NPC is even a paladin, so why aren't you just requesting? If you aren't high enough level to request his gear from him, then you shouldn't have it yet. If this is the case where the paladin is not flagged as light-aura, definitely typo log it, and pester imms until it is fixed. But you should never go out of character, particularly over gear.

Edit: And if this is because his stuff never re-spawned, it sounds like the bug is that he probably should be flagged as a unique character. Typo log it.

Did you get down to the justification I posted or stop reading here? Just say "denied, fail" and I'll drop it if you did. FYI, the bug is that evaporated items that have been requested do not respawn on this NPC. Junked items do. He is flagged unique, but it still does not work.

spidermonkey · **Joined:** Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:59 am **Posts:** 755

Dulrik wrote:

patrisaurus wrote:

I think it's unjustifiable to wordlessly roll through light aura areas slaughtering people for gear as a lightie and that certain things - priests, divine creatures, noncombatants, rulers, judges, etc - are obviously off limits. However my elf did authorize killing the paladin in Cain Techt on a limited basis as necessary to respawn his gear.

I don't see how you can justify this as a light-aura character. The NPC is even a paladin, so why aren't you just requesting? If you aren't high enough level to request his gear from him, then you shouldn't have it yet. If this is the case where the paladin is not flagged as light-aura, definitely typo log it, and pester imms until it is fixed. But you should never go out of character, particularly over gear.

Edit: And if this is because his stuff never re-spawned, it sounds like the bug is that he probably should be flagged as a unique character. Typo log it.

I think that is the answer you are looking for.

Dulrik · **Posted:** Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:20 pm

Yes, I read the whole post. I don't care what the OOC justification is - even if it is a legitimate bug. Always behave IC or you could be penalized for poor RP.

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