Shattered Kingdoms

The player of Zerel contributed pages of arguments stating that necromancers desperately needed a buff. He said that the class was "hilariously worse than a warlock," and challenged Dulrik to try to make a necromancer that could kill my barbarian or make him flee. I argued with him, telling him that necromancers were actually very good, but he didn't listen. I can't remember any particular successes that Zerel had that would cause him to change his mind so drastically. Tragonis can talk about how lazy necros are, but he'll have to produce something better than Xunux vs Cheetos logs if he wants us to take him seriously. Sorry, Trag.

Jennbo, I'm glad that you've been more involved in pvp, but you should probably spend less time weighing in on these kinds of discussions. I'm not sure you're ready. Sorry. Also, syn and I wrecked Surrit + full army + Deamuce in less than a round, prompting Zerel's player whining about how weak necros are.

That being said, I could probably get behind changing wraiths to hellions without intimidate/cleave/spells. Necromancers will still be top of the food chain. I will stress that the change I would MOST like to see would be not allowing them to keep their army when they recall.

What he said matters less than what he actually did. He quit out of boredom. Probably because it's boring to play a class that can steamroll all other classes, where you can be sure that 90% of your success comes from the inherent imbalance on SK and not from your own skill as a PKer.


Yes, undoubtedly so. Their damage output will still be very high, but at least they won't have 10 NPCs bashing people (just 3, which is still kind of tough to contend with). I think making the NPCs shamans without spells (or brandish) would be more balanced. They get a better weapon list than warlocks, second attack, brawling, dodge and shield block. That's good enough. They don't need to have the melee output, skills, or weapon selection of hellions. If a necromancer wants a hellion, he can go control one.


That would be an interesting change. It would definitely lead to necromancers actually having prep time, especially between battles. They couldn't just keep coming back with an army over and over in a matter of seconds. The IC justification is there, too, as undead are by their very nature cursed, and being cursed means you are forsaken by the gods and cannot recall. The only downside is it would not be very fun to have to deal with that as a necromancer. In a way, it's just adding some grind to the class. I am generally in favor of balance without grind, so I can go either way on this one.

I DON'T want to see people lose pets/charmies/etc when they recall. Half the point of that spell is so that you won't lose a mount or a pet, just to travel back to your char's homeland; and I fail to see how that will REALLY stop them. Gate or Rift might actually be better for them, and as for leaving a fight, the Necro could just write his minions off as a loss, and go get new ones. Nothing productive has come from this entire thread, largely because it was only a handful of the usual suspects whining about the abilities of a class they don't play, hoping to wimp the MUD down just a little more. This time the whining was over a hypothetical occurrence that I've honestly yet to see. I'm done with this thread, it's consumed enough of my time.



Don

See comment about elitist jerks who say only "experienced" people should contribute to PVP discussions. At least I actually play the game I'm vested in.

I played against Zerel. "Quitting out of boredeom" is pure revisionist history. He was not dominant.

Edit: I just read through his afterlife post and there isn't anything to suggest that he quit because necros are too easy. He cites shortcomings in the RP atmosphere of the mud and not enough long-lived characters for proper storylines. He says he was bored, but he doesn't say that he was wtfpwning people with ease.

Jennbo, I was only trying to give you advice to help you out. The content of your suggestions is not going to be taken seriously because of the content, not because it comes from you. The underlying reason that your suggestions have bad content is that you are not yet l33t like me. No hard feelings.

Yeah, so what? Even one of the l33t pkers, Ardith, even recognizes there is something wrong with the necromancers. You do intend hard feelings. Stop lying. You are saying that unless someone is on the upper echelon of PK your opinion matters not. That Elitist attitude is exactly what she was talking about. I suggest you find something else to do than troll people actually trying to have a conversation. It doesn't take rocket scientist to see glaring issues of a game sometimes. This would be one of those sometimes. Please back up your attitude with empirical data instead of speculation and anecdotal evidence. Neither of them are helping the conversation.

This elitist attitude is what is wrong with SK.

I'm not sure why these people consider themselves elite either.



None of these so-called vets even qualify for any of those definitions.

Galactus you missed the part where Baldric said that it wasn't because she's Jennbo that she's wrong. It's because she said stuff like thisthat is wrong. That is why she is wrong. Baldric knows this because he is the character who absolutely trounced Surrit in 2 rounds in a 2v2.

Jennbo also cited the fact that because Ardith doesn't like to PK against me without a group that my class is overpowered. If that was a valid metric then every class would be OP.

Dude, Galactus, learn to ABC. Your reading comprehension skills are approaching goat-lover levels.

I'm friends with jennbo and it was meant as a light-hearted jab, as well as sound advice. I also said that necromancers are the most powerful class and I could get behind a nerf for them.

Once again, provide empirical data, not just some flippant remark. As hardcore as Alaric was my bard was able to go toe to toe until he ran away to let his minion keep me occupied long enough so that he can quaff heal several times. You cannot name an experienced PKer that played a non-necro class that ALWAYS required large groups to deal with.

[edit] Baldric, it is a back handed jab. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out. To say it was "advice" is to say that their opinions means less than yours.