Shattered Kingdoms

Created this thread as to not go off on an off-topic tangent in the code discussion thread.



Well, while it's true that an MR barb is mostly immune to most things a sorc can throw at him, playing that class comes with so many hiccups in and of itself that if they weren't able to enjoy at least that much, there would be little or no reason to even try the combination.

As for charm person, I don't really think this change 'nerfs' us all that much. It seems to be reducing things that otherwise were not reduced yes, but there have been other things in the past that have knocked us down much harder than this.

Namely, nothing seems to have eyes for colorspray anymore and while this is still a very useful spell in pvp, it's safer to rely on something else on PvE. Then there are also many things immune to acid blast and an entire area where you cannot petrify. Also with the change that blocks bringing charmed NPC's over 'air', the sorceror effectively loses most usefulness as a party member for trips to places like the temple of murder.

TLDR: Sorceror is becoming a 'third wheel' for adventuring parties. I'm not really going to attempt and discuss his pvp ability, as I don't think I'm qualified to.


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Having played a Sorceror for a healthy amount of time to warrant an opinion on the above matter, I would propose that that particular charm change be revoked. Having a player drop to their death in order to lose loot and corpse should be an activity policed and punished by human means - perhaps make a special log entry for it? - rather than hard coding it. It has been annoying in the past and it still is annoying now for the majority of sorc players that are not out for the easy grief and easy kills.

Do you not believe in making PC friends or something?

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Why, Ardith!

So nice to see that your piece of constructive contribution in a Gameplay post is the same rubbish that you'd post in GD ... just candy-paper wrapped so as not to be accused of flaming outside it.

I see absolutely zero points or arguments offered in your post, boy. Better luck next time.

I'm telling you to make friends. Is it really so hard to ask a warrior class to tag along with you to places, and that you can work together?

I'm not gonna be sorry that you seem to want to possess 0 tact and consider yourself a solo badass.

And, likewise, I'm not going to be sorry that the answer to a nerf in one of the class's major nerfs is "screw charm, don't use it, go out with PCs instead".

Here's an alternative: I like friends. I like my friends to stand behind a charmed meat shield so they don't hurt as much even more.

Tactful enough for you?

FYI: If I need to make a code decision that is either going to promote solo play or group play, I am going to be promoting group play.

Understood and respected, however this code decision - the one that charm is released if you fly over cities and such - was not in order to promote group play. If you recall, it was a solution to people charming others and dropping them to their irrecoverable deaths (and loss of loot).

All with you on this, hence the point of my original point, sorc becoming a third wheel in many trips due to his unreliable spells.

It's true we have a lot of nice utility, but seeing as there aren't always enough people to group with, it was good that a sorc could 'kinda sorta' fill in for the role of a semi-tank, semi-damage dealer or even semi-healer. Right now all a sorc can do in a group is added spell damage wherever that can apply. Party dynamics-wise, his role in a group-play situation is pretty diminished from my PoV.

Of course this isn't the only class that suffers from this, but it seems to be near the bottom of the wishlist when LFG

I do not think you are claiming they are incapable of contributing. Do people actually turn down group mates? I did not think there was such an overabundance of people playing that they can afford to be picky. But if they turn you down, just let them know you will remember that the next time they ask for their items enchanted.