Disarm and blitzkrieg with reaching weapons

FinneyOwnzU · **Joined:** Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:51 am **Posts:** 1500

Lumiere wrote:

I can bash someone, kick them, and then bash them again. In fact, I can usually kick them twice and still bash them again. It's actually one of the faster things that lets you do something useful and not miss the next bash.

kick is always a bad decision no matter the circumstances b/c if ur kicking u r front row and there are more important things u should be doing.

this is a public service announcement for any newbie that might stumble upon this thread: kick is bad and u should feel bad if u use it (unless ur leveling).

Galactus · **Joined:** Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:21 pm **Posts:** 906

FinneyOwnzU wrote:

Lumiere wrote:

I can bash someone, kick them, and then bash them again. In fact, I can usually kick them twice and still bash them again. It's actually one of the faster things that lets you do something useful and not miss the next bash.

kick is always a bad decision no matter the circumstances b/c if ur kicking u r front row and there are more important things u should be doing.

this is a public service announcement for any newbie that might stumble upon this thread: kick is bad and u should feel bad if u use it (unless ur leveling).

As someone who doesn't play mercs a lot, if ever. What do you do with the free time between bashes?

FinneyOwnzU · **Joined:** Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:51 am **Posts:** 1500

if ur kicking in the front row, it means ur tanking. if ur not tanking as a merc in the front row ur doing it wrong. u should be in the second row with a glaive, halberd, bill, or bec de corbin doing real damage and using trip. or it means ur in the fist and u should be doing anime stuff like throwing people and breaking their armor and weapon.

if ur not fist, u should be quaffing heal potions (ur tanking remember?), retreating as necessary and if there are casters in the enemy formation dirt kicking them. all of which are better options than crappy kick. there u have it: kick is bad and u should feel bad if u use it in pk.

Yed · **Posted:** Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:42 am

FinneyOwnzU wrote:

Lumiere wrote:

I don't always agree with the player community when it says that XYZ is useless. I've been doing pretty well with kick, generally more in PvE than PvP, but it has a place in PvP, generally as a 'just %#%# die already' mechanism in the 'some awful wounds' and 'pretty hurt' phase when disarm and stuff wouldn't be a great investment.

My comparisons so far tell me that kick is actually more efficient than blitz against a single target in terms of trading lag for physical damage, though I haven't been scientific in making that observation. I observed that with the glaive, anyway.

The only situation in which I could see using blitz, with the game the way it currently is, is with a greatsword or claymore spec or something like that. I'm sure that that retired greataxe spec Imperial dwarf could have had some fun with it. The fact that that was a ridiculous spec underlines why blitz doesn't work. The whole basis of the ability as a 'splash damage' mechanism is precisely why it's kind of silly. Front row PvP is mostly about pounding through a singular target.

Really though, it comes down to the fact that the only viable situation for blitzkrieg would be in someone with a front row two hander spec, which generally isn't thought to be advisable, since if you want to fight like that, you probably should have just rolled a barb.

lulz blitz and kick r both terrible in pk

even in the situations u mentioned ur better off not lagging urself, so that you can time a trip/bash

I also don't always agree when the community flags something as "useless". More often I agree that certain things are useless/less useful in certain situations. Blitz does seem to be a skill much better suited to a variety of PvE situations rather than PvP.

While I also don't necessarily advocate using a bunch of kicks in PvP combat, I'm also curious, finney, if you're making your judgements on "kick" based upon the old version of the skill? Or if you're basing it upon the updated version that takes into consideration skills like self-defense/brawling/wild fighting, and the weaponized-boot knuckles/claws objects that were introduced to the game after that skill was buffed?

Opey · **Posted:** Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:30 am

Is it true that centaur kicks are stronger than other races' kicks?

TheBladeMasta · **Joined:** Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:03 pm **Posts:** 855

Am tempted to roll a centaur barb and kick things with hoof claws just to see now lol

Is wild fighting actually accounted for with kick? Since the only barbs that get kick would be centaurs

Edit: also. Claws and boot claws(since they were implemented) have never really been a great idea for front row combat because that means you loose an armor slot on your hands/feet which is much more dangerous then losing a small amount of dps

Volgacks · **Joined:** Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:45 am **Posts:** 203

Quote:

Kick damage is based on the same
hand to hand skills known by the fighter, such as self defense and brawling,
but a kick will be more powerful than a punch delivered in the same style.

My guess is that it would be affected by wildfighting, or any other skill that affects your punching damage.

Chem · **Joined:** Fri Feb 08, 2008 6:04 pm **Posts:** 1017

Dabi wrote:

I also don't always agree when the community flags something as "useless". More often I agree that certain things are useless/less useful in certain situations. Blitz does seem to be a skill much better suited to a variety of PvE situations rather than PvP.

You mean only suited for PvE.

Opey · **Posted:** Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:57 pm

In certain situations, I guess I could see boots (kicking boots) being useful. No one really aims low so the armor you are losing in favor of more damage isn't much of an issue. Maybe.

Still, a centaur barb kicking things is pretty cool. Maybe.

ninja_ardith · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:21 pm **Posts:** 4452

FinneyOwnzU wrote:

Lumiere wrote:

I can bash someone, kick them, and then bash them again. In fact, I can usually kick them twice and still bash them again. It's actually one of the faster things that lets you do something useful and not miss the next bash.

kick is always a bad decision no matter the circumstances b/c if ur kicking u r front row and there are more important things u should be doing.

this is a public service announcement for any newbie that might stumble upon this thread: kick is bad and u should feel bad if u use it (unless ur leveling).

Screw you. I have pneumonia, and this made me laugh.

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