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Baldric · **Posted:** Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:18 pm

FinneyOwnzU wrote:

Baldric wrote:

MR barbs are too strong for too little drawback.

Bash should not reset people's stances.

I don't see any evidence to support the claim that MR barbarians are too strong. There have been a couple that have had moderate success, but none that have dominated like other classes. I think people are conflating being too powerful with being annoying to play against. They negate preparation, which is essentially time investment. Time invested is simply not a good model for PK success, so I don't see this as a negative.

Being knocked prone should not reset stance, since it punishes characters that are in the correct stance (defensive) and actually rewards a mongoloid, aggressive stance front row character by making them take less damage and be less likely to get knocked prone again.

FinneyOwnzU wrote:

Lumiere wrote:

Note: MR barbs do not count towards being useful. They are snowflakes. Don't make one.

plz don't listen to this permanoob. not sure why u give advice like ur an authority - if u want to instruct players on how to whine about the staff then maybe.

mr barbarians are fine even in pve and border on op in pk. ur not supposed to be tanking with them, but sitting in the second rank with a massive and negating. having an mr barbarian around makes a lot fights trivial - the dream dragon comes to mind immediately.

Finney, sometimes I feel like you just want to be contrary.

Edoras · **Posted:** Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:40 pm

I always get depressed whenever I look at the state of the game regarding class balance from a few years ago, to now, and I realize that class balance has gotten noticeably worse. Scouts getting screwed by tame/enchant, necros, and the fact that aura of negation still hasn't been changed to affect only people hitting the MR barb (like spirit horde) are really frustrating problems to see go without being addressed for years.

Dulrik · **Posted:** Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:44 pm

On that note, wraith paralyze is now working again. Fix went live yesterday.

Edoras · **Posted:** Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:52 pm

Well now you're just being mean to me.

:drunk:

FinneyOwnzU · **Joined:** Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:51 am **Posts:** 1500

Baldric wrote:

FinneyOwnzU wrote:

Baldric wrote:

MR barbs are too strong for too little drawback.

Bash should not reset people's stances.

I don't see any evidence to support the claim that MR barbarians are too strong. There have been a couple that have had moderate success, but none that have dominated like other classes. I think people are conflating being too powerful with being annoying to play against. They negate preparation, which is essentially time investment. Time invested is simply not a good model for PK success, so I don't see this as a negative.

Being knocked prone should not reset stance, since it punishes characters that are in the correct stance (defensive) and actually rewards a mongoloid, aggressive stance front row character by making them take less damage and be less likely to get knocked prone again.

FinneyOwnzU wrote:

Lumiere wrote:

Note: MR barbs do not count towards being useful. They are snowflakes. Don't make one.

plz don't listen to this permanoob. not sure why u give advice like ur an authority - if u want to instruct players on how to whine about the staff then maybe.

mr barbarians are fine even in pve and border on op in pk. ur not supposed to be tanking with them, but sitting in the second rank with a massive and negating. having an mr barbarian around makes a lot fights trivial - the dream dragon comes to mind immediately.

Finney, sometimes I feel like you just want to be contrary.

ur getting into spidermonkey territory cuz ur not making sense.

Edoras · **Posted:** Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:20 pm

Seemed pretty clear to me.

Oh right, I forgot to complain about how stance -really- shouldn't reset on getting knocked prone.

FinneyOwnzU · **Joined:** Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:51 am **Posts:** 1500

Edoras wrote:

Seemed pretty clear to me.

Oh right, I forgot to complain about how stance -really- shouldn't reset on getting knocked prone.

cuz instead of just making hedgehog stance increase armor and fix swashbucklers, dulrik decided to nerf everyone else instead by linking prone status to stance.

swashbucklers are still trash except for a couple wile e coyote builds that require either fist or hammer cabal skills.

Baldric · **Posted:** Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:24 pm

FinneyOwnzU wrote:

I don't see any evidence to support the claim that MR barbarians are too strong.

FinneyOwnzU wrote:

mr barbarians are fine even in pve and border on op in pk.

FinneyOwnzU · **Joined:** Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:51 am **Posts:** 1500

Baldric wrote:

FinneyOwnzU wrote:

I don't see any evidence to support the claim that MR barbarians are too strong.

FinneyOwnzU wrote:

mr barbarians are fine even in pve and border on op in pk.

borders on, which means almost, nearly, close to, etc. but not quite - not the same as are op

ur welcome for the jocelyn elders edumucation - u may return to ur usual whining now

Baldric · **Posted:** Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:07 am

So by "borders on OP" did you mean "perfectly balanced?"

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