Shattered Kingdoms

Well, at least you don't use them for posting in forums. Amirite?

busted

Yes, how long did it take that "solo" mercenary to put down an outer guardian? Probably about 10x as long as it takes a necro. He also had to expend significant resources to do it.


Cool, thanks for trying to use ad hominem to obfuscate the truth. You can say whatever you want about me and my tactical abilities; it doesn't change necromancers having 10 GM barbarian NPCs outputting vastly too much damage.


Who wants to build cool and supposedly challenging areas that necromancers just run all over on the solo tip? Who wants to participate in CRS when a necromancer can solo-jack relics in just a few minutes? Who wants to go out to an area where most people need a big group only to get hunted down and ganked by a solo necromancer because he could plow through all of the NPCs along the way without breaking a sweat?


I agree if, by "zero utility," you mean one of the best spell lists on SK, brandish, zap, and recite. Oh, and access to areas that other people have to struggle to get into. Did I miss anything?


We've already been over this. It's not WoW or a fighting game, and everything is not balanced 1 vs. 1 - nowhere close. But, that's no excuse for one class to have an edge over every other class in the game and for said edge to be so ridiculously large.


Who cares.

I will say this, while a necromancer probably can't put down outer guardians in 3 round..A certain necro has been routinely killing both a cabal's outer and inner guardian in 40-50 seconds flat. One time it was as low as 29 seconds.

What about getting rid of order all?

I hope that's a joke. That's a terrible idea.

How so? It would boost blindness for preventing people to order all, and you have to consider who you'd use to bash who.

For one, its already been tried and rescinded. Two, it would make the necromancer wraith army all but pointless.

No "fix" is needed, but things like changing animate classes, removing bash, lowering level, or having order not work across the ethereal plane are far less debilitating than what you are suggesting.

You must be joking. Just a few posts prior someone said a necromancer solo'd two cabal guardians in 29 seconds. You don't think that needs to be fixed? That's beyond ridiculous, and no other class comes anywhere close to that.Cabal guardians are not meant to be solo'd in under 30 seconds. That's the definition of broken. Undead armies take out the top scout pet in 1.5 rounds. They take out GM barbarians in 2-3 rounds. They can do 5x the damage per round of the next best class, and that's without even using double finger of death scrolls to augment their damage output. In fact, that's while they are in the ethereal plane doing nothing. How is any of this justifiable or even remotely close to being balanced?

I agree that making a change to "order all" is not the answer. The problem is the over-the-top melee damage output, especially when it comes to PvE. Bringing that into the realm of sanity is a good place to start.

Your problem is, you are apparently not very good mechanically, and are assuming that is a problem with the game.

To explain:

1) Taking out a scout pet in 1.5 rounds is not a big deal, as scouts have access to the third row.

2) Taking out GM barbarians in 2-3 rounds means that the barbarian in question was a clueless newbie, not that there is a problem with the game. For example, I offer the time recently that Surrit level patrolled my wolverine char Logan. I had no weapon on to parry with, and yet I lasted 7 or so rounds because I was stance defensive and had armor/sanc/luck buffs (still died because I was afk taking a dump, but that's not really material to the conversation). If I had been at the PC, I'd have survived no problem. If I was unbuffed, I'd be behind a pet so as not to die like a newbie. Ardith might complain about Necros being unkillable by him because they're a fairly hard counter to melee, but that's called sour grapes, not game balance issues. His elf merc would have no problem tanking a wraith army for 7 rounds. In fact, any well built, reasonably geared, non clueless newbie has no trouble tanking a wraith army for several rounds. Yes, they will lose 1v1, but they will have ample opportunity to flee, quaff recall, or tank tank tank while their friends deal with the back row necro.

You are assuming too much about how the game "should be" instead of just playing it as it is, because you are bad, and you want the game to be dumbed down to your level instead of improving yourself.